Canon introduces XF105 and XF100

Andy Wilkinson · January 8th, 2011, 05:09 AM

Yeah, but now the XA10 is on the near horizon things have become more difficult - choice is a good thing thought! (see the thread I've just started comparing XF100 to XA10)

Mike Beckett · January 8th, 2011, 07:05 AM

At least ProAV have fixed their price now!

Mind you, every single item in their store is in stock, available for 2-3 days delivery. Either it's a very big stock room, or the stock level listed is just a guess.

Antonin Baches · January 8th, 2011, 12:15 PM

Not a new test (2 month ago), but apparently the only one for the moment...

4 parts:
- test-canon-xf100-fonctionnalites-1
- test-canon-xf100-fonctionnalites-2
- test-canon-xf100-sensibilite-vs-z5-ex1-550d
- test-canon-xf100-conclusion

Jim Martin · January 8th, 2011, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Johnson

I know these cameras are scarce but this price hike is a bit steep!

Decided not to order one today...... :)

Mark

I think they have it under priced!

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Flemming Bo Hansen · January 8th, 2011, 07:10 PM

On the Creative Video Products website the XF100 is listed as "in stock on 14/02/2011" Price £2,638.80 inc. VAT

Creative Video - Canon XF100 (XF-100) Professional Camcorder - MPEG-2 Full HD recording codec, 50Mbps, 4:2:2 Infrared mode and 3D Shooting Assist functions

The XF105 ships within a week Price £3,570.00 inc. VAT

http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index...ct/canon_xf105

Flemming Bo Hansen · January 10th, 2011, 05:32 AM

XF100 will arrive at retailers in Denmark 10/02/2011
Price in Danish currency DKK 20.995 ex. VAT (moms)

Federico Perale · January 10th, 2011, 11:45 AM

so do you guys think that the XF100 and 105 will set the new standard for compact HD professional camcorders?

will it be the JVC HM 100 killer?

what's the difference between the 100 and the 105?

Glen Vandermolen · January 10th, 2011, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Federico Perale

so do you guys think that the XF100 and 105 will set the new standard for compact HD professional camcorders?

will it be the JVC HM 100 killer?

what's the difference between the 100 and the 105?

Based upon my never even seeing either of these cameras but relying on the published specs, IMHO, yes, the XF100/105 will set the standard for compact camcorders - for now. You gotta love the broadcast codec, the full raster chip (even if it is only one), the cool IR mode. Comparisons already done between the XF100 and its competition has the XF clearly the winner.

The 105 has HD/SDI, time code and genlock ports, the 100 doesn't.

Federico Perale · January 10th, 2011, 12:02 PM

if that's the case I would surely go for the 100 as I don't need any of these : )

let's see how the single chip performs in low light.... the only video I've seen wasn't really enough to judge

".....Not shipping until early Feb 2011 due to Production delay...."

Robin Davies-Rollinson · January 10th, 2011, 12:06 PM

I'm very keen on this camera, but having had a word with a pal in the BBC's DV Solutions department this morrning, he seemed to think that in spite of the broadcast-quality codec, the single 1/3 chip will fail the BBC's compliance guidelines. I'm still waiting to see some footage shot with this camera (apart from the French shots from Lyon) before I make up my mind. My pal might be proved wrong - I certainly hope so anyway...

Glen Vandermolen · January 10th, 2011, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Davies-Rollinson

I'm very keen on this camera, but having had a word with a pal in the BBC's DV Solutions department this morrning, he seemed to think that in spite of the broadcast-quality codec, the single 1/3 chip will fail the BBC's compliance guidelines. I'm still waiting to see some footage shot with this camera (apart from the French shots from Lyon) before I make up my mind. My pal might be proved wrong - I certainly hope so anyway...

This would not surprise me at all. The XF305 was fine with the BBC, but a single 1/3" chip? Hmmm...

BTW, could you ask your friend how they're liking the 305s? I'm curious about them, and there are none nearby.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · January 10th, 2011, 12:14 PM

Glen,
I'll certainly ask tomorrow.

David Heath · January 10th, 2011, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Davies-Rollinson

......... he seemed to think that in spite of the broadcast-quality codec, the single 1/3 chip will fail the BBC's compliance guidelines. .........My pal might be proved wrong - I certainly hope so anyway...

I don't think he will be proved wrong..... the BBC is basing it's guidelines on ones accepted by a lot of other people, including the EBU, and the codec is only one aspect. Front end performance is just as important, if not more so. Even the XF305 only just scrapes in because of the 1/3" chips, and I believe Canon have had to pull off some clever tricks with their lens to compensate for that. But quite a lot more is specified for compliance apart from chip physical size, most obviously 1920x1080 pixels per chip in a 3 chip camera.

The XF100s only have a single 1920x1080 sensor in a Bayer pattern, hence the end result will be well down on what you'd expect from 3 such sensors in a 3 chip camera, and hence it's unlikely to get the same level of full approval.

It's going to be more complicated as time goes on to specify guidelines simply. At the moment " 1/2" or bigger " is quite simple. With DSLRs, the AF101, and the F3, they are all obviously far bigger sensors than even 1/2" - but certainly DSLRs don't meet the guidelines by a big way. We'll have to wait and see what's made of the other cameras.

Andy Wilkinson · January 11th, 2011, 03:41 AM

Here's a XF105 Video - a rare thing at the moment! Disappointing in that there is not much actual footage, mainly just a feature run down - but I'll post it anyway as parts are worth viewing.

YouTube - Canon XF100 & XF105 Hands-On With Sample Footage

Federico Perale · January 11th, 2011, 04:04 AM

what I don't understand, but let's first see it in action, is why Canon decided to launch a camcorder packed with such a nice back-end and functions, and then go for a one 2M pixel 1/3 inch sensor??

it seems like a weird decision anyway...

January 8th, 2011, 05:09 AM	#196
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Yeah, but now the XA10 is on the near horizon things have become more difficult - choice is a good thing thought! (see the thread I've just started comparing XF100 to XA10) __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

January 8th, 2011, 12:15 PM	#198
Antonin Baches New Boot Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 14	Test XF100 Not a new test (2 month ago), but apparently the only one for the moment... 4 parts: - test-canon-xf100-fonctionnalites-1 - test-canon-xf100-fonctionnalites-2 - test-canon-xf100-sensibilite-vs-z5-ex1-550d - test-canon-xf100-conclusion Canon XF100, de nuit on Vimeo Canon XF100, Infrared on Vimeo

January 8th, 2011, 07:10 PM	#200
Flemming Bo Hansen New Boot Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 16	XF100 in stock On the Creative Video Products website the XF100 is listed as "in stock on 14/02/2011" Price £2,638.80 inc. VAT Creative Video - Canon XF100 (XF-100) Professional Camcorder - MPEG-2 Full HD recording codec, 50Mbps, 4:2:2 Infrared mode and 3D Shooting Assist functions The XF105 ships within a week Price £3,570.00 inc. VAT http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index...ct/canon_xf105 __________________ Flemming Bo Hansen www.fbh.dk

January 10th, 2011, 05:32 AM	#201
Flemming Bo Hansen New Boot Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 16	Xf100 eta XF100 will arrive at retailers in Denmark 10/02/2011 Price in Danish currency DKK 20.995 ex. VAT (moms) __________________ Flemming Bo Hansen www.fbh.dk

January 11th, 2011, 03:41 AM	#209
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Here's a XF105 Video - a rare thing at the moment! Disappointing in that there is not much actual footage, mainly just a feature run down - but I'll post it anyway as parts are worth viewing. YouTube - Canon XF100 & XF105 Hands-On With Sample Footage __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

January 8th, 2011, 07:05 AM	#197
Mike Beckett Trustee Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 1,569	At least ProAV have fixed their price now! Mind you, every single item in their store is in stock, available for 2-3 days delivery. Either it's a very big stock room, or the stock level listed is just a guess.

January 10th, 2011, 11:45 AM	#202
Federico Perale Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: London Posts: 410	so do you guys think that the XF100 and 105 will set the new standard for compact HD professional camcorders? will it be the JVC HM 100 killer? what's the difference between the 100 and the 105?

January 10th, 2011, 12:02 PM	#204
Federico Perale Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: London Posts: 410	if that's the case I would surely go for the 100 as I don't need any of these : ) let's see how the single chip performs in low light.... the only video I've seen wasn't really enough to judge ".....Not shipping until early Feb 2011 due to Production delay...."

January 10th, 2011, 12:06 PM	#205
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	I'm very keen on this camera, but having had a word with a pal in the BBC's DV Solutions department this morrning, he seemed to think that in spite of the broadcast-quality codec, the single 1/3 chip will fail the BBC's compliance guidelines. I'm still waiting to see some footage shot with this camera (apart from the French shots from Lyon) before I make up my mind. My pal might be proved wrong - I certainly hope so anyway...

January 10th, 2011, 12:14 PM	#207
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Glen, I'll certainly ask tomorrow.

January 11th, 2011, 04:04 AM	#210
Federico Perale Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: London Posts: 410	what I don't understand, but let's first see it in action, is why Canon decided to launch a camcorder packed with such a nice back-end and functions, and then go for a one 2M pixel 1/3 inch sensor?? it seems like a weird decision anyway...