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Richard Siberry · August 6th, 2007, 07:31 AM

Hi all, I am new to HDV and I am going crosseyed looking for info on the best way to ingest 1080i 24f footage, shot to tape on my XH-A1, into FCP6 on a Power Mac.

Sales staff at the varoius supply houses all suggest buying a Sony Deck, and or a Blackmagic Intensity card. It seems to me though that none of the current decks, or affordable capture cards, support my preferred format, 1080i 24f, am I missing something?

Is firewire transfer from the camera still the best, or only, option?

Is there any advantage to having an Intensity card in my machine other than for the HDMI out port for playback to an HD TV?

Thanks for your input and experience.

Rich.

Chris Hurd · August 6th, 2007, 07:54 AM

Hi Richard, a Sony HDV deck will not support 24F. There's nothing wrong with playing the tape directly from your XH A1 in VCR mode and capturing through FireWire. If you don't want to use your A1 as a deck, then either of the two Canon consumer HDV camcorders (HV10 and HV20) can be used as a deck and both support 24F playback.

Greg Cotten · August 7th, 2007, 10:11 PM

The A1 records 24f through 60i, so you should be fine playing it back on any HDV deck that can play back the Canon HDV Stream format. If you shoot 24f remember to pulldown!

Brent Goodale · August 8th, 2007, 06:28 AM

Hey Greg, On the A1 with 24f are you sure you need to use the pull down? I thought i read somewhere that it was not needed or its automatically done. one of the two. Could be wrong...

Bill Pryor · August 8th, 2007, 10:12 AM

That's not exactly accurate, about the pulldown. The 24F in HDV comes into FCP as "real" 24p. NO pulldown. In shooting SD you have the pulldown option, but you're talking about HDV. It's 24p, no pulldown option. Nothing will play the Canon's 24F HDV footage except the Canon cameras, ie., the XL H1, the XH A1/G1, and the little single chip HV10 and HV20.

All you have to do in FCP is use the 1080P24 setup and make sure your sequence settings match. I think in FCP6 that happens automatically, but I'm not sure. I'm using 5.1.4 and I have to do the Easy Setup, then the sequence setting.

I've had absolutely no problems editing HDV, 24P, in FCP. It works just like DV editing, except that some of the effects have to render, and the sequence has to "conform" before exporting.

I don't have an HD monitor, so I can't watch my stuff on anything other than the computer monitors while I'm editing. What I do for color correction is change the output setting to DV, and I can see a still frame on my NTSC monitor. It won't play, but a freeze is good enough for color correction. An HD monitor would be nice.

Matthew Nayman · August 8th, 2007, 10:18 AM

I have had great luck with:

Shoot A1 > put tape in HV20 > go through HDMI into Blackmagic card (and 1394 for device control), edit as true 24p HDMI material.

But typically I use my A1 to capture HDV

Eric Weiss · August 8th, 2007, 10:30 AM

Matthew,

Could you please elaborate on that?

Which Blackmagic card?
Are you using Vegas?
What setting/file format do you cap at?
What’s the specs of your system?

I’m looking to go that way too and have been using the HV20 as a deck.

Eric Weiss · August 8th, 2007, 10:37 AM

if space is an issue, this is a great drive. i've filled about 700G withn 3 months with no problems. it's very fast and stable at both firewire 400 and 800. it also comes set up as raid 0. there's a new 1.5TB as well..but for $300, the price is right.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822204022

August 6th, 2007, 07:31 AM	#1
Richard Siberry Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 30	Best way to ingest Hi all, I am new to HDV and I am going crosseyed looking for info on the best way to ingest 1080i 24f footage, shot to tape on my XH-A1, into FCP6 on a Power Mac. Sales staff at the varoius supply houses all suggest buying a Sony Deck, and or a Blackmagic Intensity card. It seems to me though that none of the current decks, or affordable capture cards, support my preferred format, 1080i 24f, am I missing something? Is firewire transfer from the camera still the best, or only, option? Is there any advantage to having an Intensity card in my machine other than for the HDMI out port for playback to an HD TV? Thanks for your input and experience. Rich.

August 6th, 2007, 07:54 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Hi Richard, a Sony HDV deck will not support 24F. There's nothing wrong with playing the tape directly from your XH A1 in VCR mode and capturing through FireWire. If you don't want to use your A1 as a deck, then either of the two Canon consumer HDV camcorders (HV10 and HV20) can be used as a deck and both support 24F playback. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 7th, 2007, 10:11 PM	#3
Greg Cotten New Boot Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6	The A1 records 24f through 60i, so you should be fine playing it back on any HDV deck that can play back the Canon HDV Stream format. If you shoot 24f remember to pulldown!

August 8th, 2007, 06:28 AM	#4
Brent Goodale Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 31	Hey Greg, On the A1 with 24f are you sure you need to use the pull down? I thought i read somewhere that it was not needed or its automatically done. one of the two. Could be wrong...

August 8th, 2007, 10:12 AM	#5
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	That's not exactly accurate, about the pulldown. The 24F in HDV comes into FCP as "real" 24p. NO pulldown. In shooting SD you have the pulldown option, but you're talking about HDV. It's 24p, no pulldown option. Nothing will play the Canon's 24F HDV footage except the Canon cameras, ie., the XL H1, the XH A1/G1, and the little single chip HV10 and HV20. All you have to do in FCP is use the 1080P24 setup and make sure your sequence settings match. I think in FCP6 that happens automatically, but I'm not sure. I'm using 5.1.4 and I have to do the Easy Setup, then the sequence setting. I've had absolutely no problems editing HDV, 24P, in FCP. It works just like DV editing, except that some of the effects have to render, and the sequence has to "conform" before exporting. I don't have an HD monitor, so I can't watch my stuff on anything other than the computer monitors while I'm editing. What I do for color correction is change the output setting to DV, and I can see a still frame on my NTSC monitor. It won't play, but a freeze is good enough for color correction. An HD monitor would be nice.

August 8th, 2007, 10:18 AM	#6
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	I have had great luck with: Shoot A1 > put tape in HV20 > go through HDMI into Blackmagic card (and 1394 for device control), edit as true 24p HDMI material. But typically I use my A1 to capture HDV

August 8th, 2007, 10:30 AM	#7
Eric Weiss Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philly,PA Posts: 360	Matthew, Could you please elaborate on that? Which Blackmagic card? Are you using Vegas? What setting/file format do you cap at? What’s the specs of your system? I’m looking to go that way too and have been using the HV20 as a deck.

August 8th, 2007, 10:37 AM	#8
Eric Weiss Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philly,PA Posts: 360	if space is an issue, this is a great drive. i've filled about 700G withn 3 months with no problems. it's very fast and stable at both firewire 400 and 800. it also comes set up as raid 0. there's a new 1.5TB as well..but for $300, the price is right. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822204022