Wearing out Heads? at DVinfo.net

Michael Malagon · September 1st, 2007, 03:33 PM

How bad is it for the heads in my A1 to use my camera instead of a deck for logging and capturing? I import a good amount of footage. Maybe around 20 hours a month.

Chris Hurd · September 1st, 2007, 03:51 PM

I wouldn't call that a big amount. I've said many times on this site that I firmly believe the whole "wearing out the heads" question is a complete non-issue and one of those internet myths, along the likes of plastic lenses, USB to FireWire adapters, Video8 to VHS adapters and so on. There's a VCR mode on the camcorder and it's meant to be used. If wearing out the heads was actually a viable issue, then the VCR mode never would have been included in the first place.

However I would urge you to consider a consumer Canon HDV camcorder such as the HV20 to use as a playback deck instead of your XH A1, primarily because your A1 shouldn't be tied down for capture purposes when it could be out shooting instead. If a camera isn't shooting, then it isn't making money. In this regard the little HV20 will pay for itself in no time (it's less than $1000). Hope this helps,

Bill Pryor · September 1st, 2007, 05:29 PM

How about the HV10? it's even cheaper.

Chris Hurd · September 1st, 2007, 08:06 PM

Either one... though HV10 availability might be questionable.

Trish Kerr · September 1st, 2007, 09:54 PM

They're selling the hv10 at costco in Toronto at the moment.

But I thought there was a reason for choosing the hv20 over the hv10 in the first place. 24p option, or true 1080 and the output options.

I didn't even realize the hv10 was a deck option for the A1.

Trish

Eric Weiss · September 1st, 2007, 10:05 PM

go for the hv20. it's worth the extra money.

Bill Pryor · September 2nd, 2007, 09:51 AM

If all you're doing is using it as a deck, there's nothing wrong with the HV10, from all I've read. While it will not record 24p, it does play back all the Canon modes, 24/30f as well as 60i.

The HV20 records 24p, but my understanding is that it only outputs a pulldown version. It will play the XH A1 24p OK, but it's own 24p comes out as pulldown. I'm not sure how that would translate into a 24p timeline.

If I intended to use the little camera as a second camera or backup for the XH A1, then I'd definitely go for the UV20, because the HV10 has no external audio input at all. On the other hand, it is smaller and would fit into a jacket pocket easier, nice for a little camera to carry around all the time.

Juni Zhao · September 2nd, 2007, 10:13 AM

when it plays back or downloads onto hdd it really just READS the file already encoded on the digital tape. It has nothing to do with frame rate as long as it's an HDV format.....

Mike Teutsch · September 2nd, 2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Either one... though HV10 availability might be questionable.

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Mike Teutsch · September 2nd, 2007, 11:37 AM

The HV20 records 24p to tape as 60i.

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Lou Bruno · September 2nd, 2007, 12:56 PM

Generally head life is approx 2,000 hours.... give or take. Prior to this, dropouts will start occurring. The CANON HV20 is probably an alternative for playback. The HDMI output of the HV20 is an added bonus...........one cable for video and audio into a HD Television.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Malagon

How bad is it for the heads in my A1 to use my camera instead of a deck for logging and capturing? I import a good amount of footage. Maybe around 20 hours a month.

Bill Pryor · September 2nd, 2007, 05:40 PM

Using the camera for playback doesn't put any record hours on the heads, only playback hours. I have thousands of playback hours on some DVCAM and Betacam SP decks with no trouble at all, and the same decks probably have only a few hundred hours of record time.

Allan Black · September 3rd, 2007, 04:53 AM

I agree with Chris in post 2. Technically, something else will go in the camera before you wear out the head.

September 1st, 2007, 03:33 PM	#1
Michael Malagon New Boot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: United States Posts: 17	Wearing out Heads? How bad is it for the heads in my A1 to use my camera instead of a deck for logging and capturing? I import a good amount of footage. Maybe around 20 hours a month.

September 1st, 2007, 03:51 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I wouldn't call that a big amount. I've said many times on this site that I firmly believe the whole "wearing out the heads" question is a complete non-issue and one of those internet myths, along the likes of plastic lenses, USB to FireWire adapters, Video8 to VHS adapters and so on. There's a VCR mode on the camcorder and it's meant to be used. If wearing out the heads was actually a viable issue, then the VCR mode never would have been included in the first place. However I would urge you to consider a consumer Canon HDV camcorder such as the HV20 to use as a playback deck instead of your XH A1, primarily because your A1 shouldn't be tied down for capture purposes when it could be out shooting instead. If a camera isn't shooting, then it isn't making money. In this regard the little HV20 will pay for itself in no time (it's less than $1000). Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 1st, 2007, 08:06 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Either one... though HV10 availability might be questionable. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 2nd, 2007, 11:37 AM	#10
Mike Teutsch Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida Posts: 2,614	The HV20 records 24p to tape as 60i. M __________________ Chapter one, line one. The BH.

September 1st, 2007, 05:29 PM	#3
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	How about the HV10? it's even cheaper.

September 1st, 2007, 09:54 PM	#5
Trish Kerr Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 294	They're selling the hv10 at costco in Toronto at the moment. But I thought there was a reason for choosing the hv20 over the hv10 in the first place. 24p option, or true 1080 and the output options. I didn't even realize the hv10 was a deck option for the A1. Trish

September 1st, 2007, 10:05 PM	#6
Eric Weiss Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philly,PA Posts: 360	go for the hv20. it's worth the extra money.

September 2nd, 2007, 09:51 AM	#7
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	If all you're doing is using it as a deck, there's nothing wrong with the HV10, from all I've read. While it will not record 24p, it does play back all the Canon modes, 24/30f as well as 60i. The HV20 records 24p, but my understanding is that it only outputs a pulldown version. It will play the XH A1 24p OK, but it's own 24p comes out as pulldown. I'm not sure how that would translate into a 24p timeline. If I intended to use the little camera as a second camera or backup for the XH A1, then I'd definitely go for the UV20, because the HV10 has no external audio input at all. On the other hand, it is smaller and would fit into a jacket pocket easier, nice for a little camera to carry around all the time.

September 2nd, 2007, 10:13 AM	#8
Juni Zhao Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Andover, Ma Posts: 102	when it plays back or downloads onto hdd it really just READS the file already encoded on the digital tape. It has nothing to do with frame rate as long as it's an HDV format.....

September 2nd, 2007, 05:40 PM	#12
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Using the camera for playback doesn't put any record hours on the heads, only playback hours. I have thousands of playback hours on some DVCAM and Betacam SP decks with no trouble at all, and the same decks probably have only a few hundred hours of record time.

September 3rd, 2007, 04:53 AM	#13
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,887	I agree with Chris in post 2. Technically, something else will go in the camera before you wear out the head.