Will DV mode improve XH-A1 low light? at DVinfo.net

Greg Clark · September 12th, 2008, 10:02 PM

I found myself during two wedding receptions where low light ambiance could not be changed.
Would A1 recording in DV mode provide a substantial improvement?

Richard Hunter · September 13th, 2008, 01:52 AM

Hi Greg. I just tried this and could not see any difference in exposure between the 2 modes. If there is a difference it is definitely not "substantial".

Have you tried any of the low light presets? If these don't work for you the only real solution is an on-camera light, although this can often disturb the subjects if it's too bright. A dimmable light with diffusion is probably best.

Richard

Greg Clark · September 13th, 2008, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Hunter

I just tried this and could not see any difference in exposure between the 2 modes.
Have you tried any of the low light presets? If these don't work for you the only real solution is an on-camera light Richard

No I haven't but definitely will try the low light presets. I have had mixed results using an on camera light. It definitely assists with low light but it is SO intrusive on the talent at the reception.
It is very disappointing to hear that DV mode and HDV mode are just about the same in a low light situation.

Bill Pryor · September 13th, 2008, 10:58 AM

There won't be any difference. What affects light sensitivity are the chips and the lens, not whether it's HD or SD. The higher the resolution of the same size chips, the smaller the pixels are and the lower their light gathering capability. I've found the camera to be pretty decent, for a 1/3" chip camera, in low light. I shoot at 24 fps, 1/48 shutter. For a wedding you probably could go down to 1/24 because there isn't a lot of fast movement in most cases. And of course, shoot at a wide angle so your lens doesn't stop down. You can go to a +3 with little degradation but +6 starts showing some. Unfortunately the first half of the word photography is photo...from the Greek photos, meaning light. It takes light. When they turn out the lights for a dance, even the excellent low light capabilities of a 2/3" chip camera like the DSR500 aren't good enough.

Joel Peregrine · September 13th, 2008, 03:25 PM

Hi Greg,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Clark

I have had mixed results using an on camera light. It definitely assists with low light but it is SO intrusive on the talent at the reception.

Take the light off the camera. On-camera lighting isn't flattering and it draws attention to you because the light source is at eye level. Move the light to a stand or have an assistant with the light on a pole. More options are becoming available as people realize the benefits of off-camera lighting. It doesn't have to be intrusive and it leaves you to be more mobile and discreet. Just one way: The Wireless RECEPTION LIGHT by Darrell Boeck . You can DIY a similar set up yourself.

Bill Pryor · September 13th, 2008, 06:10 PM

That's a very handy thing to have, and not a bad price, considering the battery and remote.
You can also run a Lowel Omni with a 200 watt DC bulb from a cheap battery belt, but you'd have to come up with the remote on your own.

Greg Clark · September 14th, 2008, 08:18 AM

Thanks to Richard, Bill and Joel for opening my mind to other alternatives for the dark wedding reception.
Bill you have given me the push to move from 60i and experiment with 24f.

Robin Miller · September 14th, 2008, 09:49 AM

Worst low-light situation I've tried taping with my XH-A1 was a poetry "slam" lit by nothing but candles. I used 24fps, 1/48 shutter, made sure the ND filter was OFF, exposure open wide, 3dB video gain. We're talking so little light that I could barely see the poets or audience with my naked eye, but I managed to make a clear record of the event despite the crummy conditions.

Stanley Law · September 15th, 2008, 03:21 AM

Low light is pretty bad. Your best bet is to always shoot in the highest res and then downres in post.

Art Varga · December 16th, 2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joel Peregrine

Just one way: The Wireless RECEPTION LIGHT by Darrell Boeck . You can DIY a similar set up yourself.

This looks like a nice product - the only thing it's missing is a dimmer, ideally controllable from the remote. Anyone know of anything or a way to add via a radio shack add-on or something?

Art

September 12th, 2008, 10:02 PM	#1
Greg Clark Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Surprise Arizona Posts: 297	Will DV mode improve XH-A1 low light? I found myself during two wedding receptions where low light ambiance could not be changed. Would A1 recording in DV mode provide a substantial improvement?

September 14th, 2008, 08:18 AM	#7
Greg Clark Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Surprise Arizona Posts: 297	What would we do without DV Info?? Thanks to Richard, Bill and Joel for opening my mind to other alternatives for the dark wedding reception. Bill you have given me the push to move from 60i and experiment with 24f.

September 14th, 2008, 09:49 AM	#8
Robin Miller New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bradenton, Florida Posts: 16	Low light settings Worst low-light situation I've tried taping with my XH-A1 was a poetry "slam" lit by nothing but candles. I used 24fps, 1/48 shutter, made sure the ND filter was OFF, exposure open wide, 3dB video gain. We're talking so little light that I could barely see the poets or audience with my naked eye, but I managed to make a clear record of the event despite the crummy conditions.

September 13th, 2008, 01:52 AM	#2
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	Hi Greg. I just tried this and could not see any difference in exposure between the 2 modes. If there is a difference it is definitely not "substantial". Have you tried any of the low light presets? If these don't work for you the only real solution is an on-camera light, although this can often disturb the subjects if it's too bright. A dimmable light with diffusion is probably best. Richard

September 13th, 2008, 10:58 AM	#4
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	There won't be any difference. What affects light sensitivity are the chips and the lens, not whether it's HD or SD. The higher the resolution of the same size chips, the smaller the pixels are and the lower their light gathering capability. I've found the camera to be pretty decent, for a 1/3" chip camera, in low light. I shoot at 24 fps, 1/48 shutter. For a wedding you probably could go down to 1/24 because there isn't a lot of fast movement in most cases. And of course, shoot at a wide angle so your lens doesn't stop down. You can go to a +3 with little degradation but +6 starts showing some. Unfortunately the first half of the word photography is photo...from the Greek photos, meaning light. It takes light. When they turn out the lights for a dance, even the excellent low light capabilities of a 2/3" chip camera like the DSR500 aren't good enough.

September 13th, 2008, 06:10 PM	#6
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	That's a very handy thing to have, and not a bad price, considering the battery and remote. You can also run a Lowel Omni with a 200 watt DC bulb from a cheap battery belt, but you'd have to come up with the remote on your own.

September 15th, 2008, 03:21 AM	#9
Stanley Law Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Milpitas, California Posts: 42	Low light is pretty bad. Your best bet is to always shoot in the highest res and then downres in post.