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Frank Vu · December 17th, 2004, 04:02 PM

Is there one?

Rob Lohman · December 21st, 2004, 06:21 AM

Yes, you can dial out the color if you want by using the color gain
(saturation) control on the camera, see page 68 in the manual.

Keep in mind that if you record the footage in B&W (or any (other)
changes you do) it cannot be undone after recording. That is one
reasons most people who want to make a B&W movie change it
from color to B&W in their edit software.

Frank Vu · December 21st, 2004, 10:01 AM

Thanks Rob.

So does that mean that color is recorded and taken out? Or does that mean that color just isn't recorded?

Rob Lohman · December 22nd, 2004, 04:28 AM

If you change the color gain/saturation on the camera you take
the color out (completely, depending on your setting) of the
signal that is recorded to tape/harddisk. So yes, it is out forever
and you will not be able to get it back. It is not the setting that
gets saved, but the result of the settings. Same goes for the
normal GAIN knob, framerate selection, progressive or interlaced
selection and all other menu settings that effect the look of the
signal (like cine modes and gamma curves etc.).

If you want to have a choice lateron then you should record a
clean as signal as possible with only the settings changed that
increase this signal or are needed for you to get a (good) signal.
Then do the rest in post while editing and so on.

The downside to this method is that you may need more time in
post to achieve the look you want (not everything can be done
in camera either, so this might be needed anyway), but it does
give you more options to play with.

Frank Vu · December 22nd, 2004, 10:36 AM

I was wondering when the color is taken out because I wanted to know if the signal is purely recorded in b&w, or is it degraded because color is recorded, then taken out.

Rob Lohman · December 23rd, 2004, 04:40 AM

The color signal is changed to B&W. This camera does not have
black & white chips (although you could argue that since it is using
three B&W chips to get color with a color filter in front of it) for
getting a B&W signal.

However with a color filter on the camera (test it, yellow was
I believe the color to use for B&W) you should be able to do a
good conversion from color to B&W in camera or in post (which
I would do!)

Also see the following thread for an example with an XL2:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=34606

December 17th, 2004, 04:02 PM	#1
Frank Vu Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 26	Black & White mode Is there one? __________________ www.smockless.com

December 21st, 2004, 06:21 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Yes, you can dial out the color if you want by using the color gain (saturation) control on the camera, see page 68 in the manual. Keep in mind that if you record the footage in B&W (or any (other) changes you do) it cannot be undone after recording. That is one reasons most people who want to make a B&W movie change it from color to B&W in their edit software. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 21st, 2004, 10:01 AM	#3
Frank Vu Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 26	Thanks Rob. So does that mean that color is recorded and taken out? Or does that mean that color just isn't recorded? __________________ www.smockless.com

December 22nd, 2004, 04:28 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	If you change the color gain/saturation on the camera you take the color out (completely, depending on your setting) of the signal that is recorded to tape/harddisk. So yes, it is out forever and you will not be able to get it back. It is not the setting that gets saved, but the result of the settings. Same goes for the normal GAIN knob, framerate selection, progressive or interlaced selection and all other menu settings that effect the look of the signal (like cine modes and gamma curves etc.). If you want to have a choice lateron then you should record a clean as signal as possible with only the settings changed that increase this signal or are needed for you to get a (good) signal. Then do the rest in post while editing and so on. The downside to this method is that you may need more time in post to achieve the look you want (not everything can be done in camera either, so this might be needed anyway), but it does give you more options to play with. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 22nd, 2004, 10:36 AM	#5
Frank Vu Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 26	I was wondering when the color is taken out because I wanted to know if the signal is purely recorded in b&w, or is it degraded because color is recorded, then taken out. __________________ www.smockless.com

December 23rd, 2004, 04:40 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	The color signal is changed to B&W. This camera does not have black & white chips (although you could argue that since it is using three B&W chips to get color with a color filter in front of it) for getting a B&W signal. However with a color filter on the camera (test it, yellow was I believe the color to use for B&W) you should be able to do a good conversion from color to B&W in camera or in post (which I would do!) Also see the following thread for an example with an XL2: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=34606 __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors