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Josh Mellicker August 4th, 2005 12:25 AM

XL2 Feature Tour Video
 
Hi, I wanted you folks to be the first to know about an "XL2 Feature Tour" movie we just uploaded- it's 35 minutes long and requires Quicktime 7, it's encoded in H.264 at about 400 kbps for the video (50 KB/sec) and AAC audio at 128 kbps (16 KB/sec).

I would appreciate some feedback on how long it takes the movie to start playing, if it plays consistently, and, oh yeah, about the content itself!! :)

We have not hosted a movie this big before so this is the first big stress test of our new server.

It's the link that says "Watch the XL2 Feature Tour Video" near the top of this page: www.dvcreators.net

Thanks and enjoy!

Josh

p.s. it will be on DVD soon

Greg Boston August 4th, 2005 08:19 AM

I can't even get the main site to respond. Maybe you got swamped with everyone trying to watch the video.

-gb-

Josh Mellicker August 4th, 2005 12:21 PM

Greg, you are right, the server was down... it's back up now. I'm going to see how things go over the next few hours, I may have to pull the video and wait until I can hijack it playing off Canon's site ;)

But it's back up for the moment... sorry for the inconvenience!

Jeff Boeckman August 4th, 2005 03:43 PM

That was very nicely done. I liked it a lot.
Late
Jeff

Josh Mellicker August 4th, 2005 10:14 PM

Thanks!

Just FYI, it seems to be playing fine for everyone now...

Guest August 5th, 2005 06:10 AM

Great!!
 
Josh,

Thanks for posting this. I just got my XL2 a few weeks ago so your video increased my XL2 knowledge by 1000%. The settings section explaining all of the various settings for different styles, looks, adjustments etc. (knee, cine, etc.) was just what I needed.

Canon should buy partial rights to this video from you guys and post it on their XL2 page.

As far as the viewing quality - streamed just fine. Loaded quick through my cable connection, no problems at all. It was fully loaded when the video was only about 1/10th of the way through. You all did a nice job with editing the video as well and made it a joy to watch... again and again :).

I've bookmarked DVcreators.net!!!!

Marty Hudzik August 5th, 2005 09:46 AM

Quicktime 7 preview 2 is not recommended on production machines as it's integration with many other applications is not final. For me it screwed up Adobe Premiere Pro and upon searching the Adobe forums this is a known issue of the beta. reinstalling QT 6.5 release version fixed it but now I can't see any of these h.264 quicktimes. Anyone else seeing this behavior? JUst wish apple would get the final out sooner.

For now I plan on installing the QT preview 2 on my laptop. BUt I thought I should forewarn anyone using Premiere Pro and Quicktime that there may be issues.

Chris, feel free to move this to the appropriate forum if this is not needed here. I just know many will download QT7 as a result of seeing this message and that might mess up some other software.

Thanks,
Marty

(I will comment on the video as soon as I get to see it!)

Eric A Robinson August 5th, 2005 10:11 AM

good job!
 
love the video
love the women.
I have two XL2's but after watching your video I need to go out and buy another!

Did you use Motion for 2D text and graphic effects?

Marty Hudzik August 5th, 2005 10:37 AM

I just watched the video and it was excellent. Samples were great and really show off the camera. Top-notch! And it streamed excellent.

Riley Stearns August 5th, 2005 12:51 PM

I want this camera... sigh.

Josh Mellicker August 5th, 2005 01:50 PM

Marty, thanks for the valuable heads-up on QT7 and Premiere Pro (we have a PP workstation here). I will encode an FLV version that should play for everyone, I am just experimenting with H.264 and that's why that was first.

We used After Effects for the intro and other animations, and used Motion for the diagrams, like the 2:3:3:2 pulldown, because you can animate along with the VO in real time, which gave it the edge over AE in those cases.

Mathieu Ghekiere August 5th, 2005 04:40 PM

I agree with Derek, Canon should put this on their website! Can't you show it to them somehow?
I'm sure it would be good for them, really nice and informative video!

Curtis Rhoads August 5th, 2005 06:40 PM

Either I'm blind, tired, or the link has been removed... Guess that's what I get for spending more time at the hospital with my wife, than on the computer! :) Joking, joking....

I'd love to take a look at this vid if possible....

Guest August 5th, 2005 08:32 PM

link was moved
 
The link was moved. Click the "shoot" button under the production section on the top menu. Then scoll down until you see a pic of the XL2, which is about mid-way through the page on the left. You'll see the link next to the XL2 photo.

Greg Boston August 5th, 2005 09:27 PM

Good stuff there, Josh. Finally got to see it here on the Imac. Looked really good and streamed well.

-gb-

Curtis Rhoads August 5th, 2005 10:09 PM

Thanks for pointing out where to find it...

Nice video. Makes me want to definately buy an XL2 now. Thanks!

Eric Brown August 6th, 2005 03:56 PM

Am I missing something, guys? I don't see a link for this anywhere on the page.

Eric Brown August 6th, 2005 04:00 PM

Never mind. Helps to read through the entire thread, eh?

Josh Mellicker August 6th, 2005 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Rhoads
Either I'm blind, tired, or the link has been removed... Guess that's what I get for spending more time at the hospital with my wife, than on the computer! :) Joking, joking....

I'd love to take a look at this vid if possible....

Or... we've been updating our website, and we accidentally replaced our homepage :(

Woops! SORRY, another snafu... Sorry for your inconvenience again :(

It's back on the home page...

Lauren Brazil August 12th, 2005 12:10 AM

So frustrating!
 
I got my XL2 a few months ago, and I'm just scratching the surface of its abilities. Then I see this thread about a feature tour, and I can't get it to stream! I downloaded Quicktime 7 on both my computers and the video caches ok, but once it starts playing it's studdering and blanking out.

Oh, how I wish I didn't have a crappy computer! (See what happens when you spend all your money on a kickass camera??) Anyway, I was wondering if there was any way I could download this tour instead of streaming it. After reading the rave reviews, it's driving me crazy that I can't watch it! Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Javier Urena August 12th, 2005 01:43 AM

I thought it was funny how the skin detail feature didn't really do anything. Also, when discussing the myterious coring, you had a shot of the black screen menu instead of the girls. We can't see what effect turning the coring up and down has on the image.

Jay Gladwell August 12th, 2005 06:47 AM

Josh, excellent job! Beautifully done. You show the camera in its true light. I had no problem streaming the video. It fired right up and ran smoothly for the most part. Toward the end it did seem to studder a few times.

One thing I wasn't clear on... is this part of the DV Enlightenment DVD?

Jay

Chris Hurd August 12th, 2005 07:28 AM

It's not part of the Enlightenment DVD (which I have by the way; very well done), which Josh produced before he did this project. I believe Josh said that the XL2 feature tour would be separately available through either DV Creators or from Canon.

Mark Williams August 12th, 2005 10:37 AM

Excellent overview of the XL2. Well done!

Regards,

Mark

Josh Mellicker August 12th, 2005 01:11 PM

Thanks for all your comments and compliments. The XL2 Feature Tour is not part of DV Enlightenment (but there is a short promo piece for DV Enlightenment at the end of the XL2 video).


Quote:

Originally Posted by Lauren Brazil
Anyway, I was wondering if there was any way I could download this tour instead of streaming it. After reading the rave reviews, it's driving me crazy that I can't watch it! Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

If you just wait a bit, it will be fully downloaded and you can watch it from the top.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Javier Urena
I thought it was funny how the skin detail feature didn't really do anything. Also, when discussing the myterious coring, you had a shot of the black screen menu instead of the girls. We can't see what effect turning the coring up and down has on the image.

On the DVD you will see the skin detail effect (as well as many other things like 60i vs 30p which is no difference on the web movie). We could not really get the coring top make a visible difference... have any of you? If so, what was the content?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd
I believe Josh said that the XL2 feature tour would be separately available through either DV Creators or from Canon.

The DVDs are being replicated now.

Patrick King August 12th, 2005 06:27 PM

Josh,

I'm sure you've downloaded the Blue Barn Pictures XL2 Presets Manager by now.

Any chance we can talk you into working up some of the Custom Preset configurations discussed and/or used in the XL2 Tour video and sharing them with us?

Chris Hurd August 12th, 2005 06:32 PM

Uh-oh, in all the years I've known Josh, I don't believe he's ever actually seen a PC in real life... he's a Mac guy through and through. But wait, he runs Edition Planet, which supports Pinnacle software, so maybe he has touched a PC once or twice. Hmm.

James Emory August 12th, 2005 06:59 PM

The video didn't stream for me but did download to my temporary internet files and then I copied it to my desktop. Next, I clicked on the file and then a grey box with a red X in the top left corner appeared and the contents read the following:

Couldn't open the file "XL-2_feature_tour[1].mov" because a bad public movie atom was found in the movie.

What in the world is that?!

Anyway it just won't play. I wouldn't have downloaded it anyway because I have issues in the past with certain versions of media players but thanks for the warning about QT7.

Josh Mellicker August 12th, 2005 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick King
Josh,

I'm sure you've downloaded the Blue Barn Pictures XL2 Presets Manager by now.

Any chance we can talk you into working up some of the Custom Preset configurations discussed and/or used in the XL2 Tour video and sharing them with us?

Thanks for the tip, I have not! Will try it soon!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd
Uh-oh, in all the years I've known Josh, I don't believe he's ever actually seen a PC in real life...

Lol :) ... but I built a 3.06 GHz Pentium PC, it is pimped out with bright blue cathode tubes and an acrylic window! It is screamin' fast with Premiere Pro and After Effects...

Also, apologies to all those who have trouble watching... I have been waiting for a copy of the newest Squeeze Studio to encode a version in FLV, but nothing yet... Maybe I will just throw a Windows Media or Real version up in the meantime.

Adam Bray August 12th, 2005 09:41 PM

i saw the video. great info. id like a copy of the dvd also.

ps. macs rules

James Emory August 12th, 2005 10:15 PM

Windows media would be great and an older version of Quicktime would work too.

Evan Fisher August 13th, 2005 10:56 PM

Great video,

I'd like to have a copy of it for reference. Unfortunately, it kept stalling and actually caused Safari quit a couple of times. Not sure why since I'm running on a G5 dual 2.5, OS 10.4.2 and have QT 7 and plenty o Ram.

Richard Alvarez August 14th, 2005 06:48 AM

I'd like to see it, but I won't install 7 untill it's approved for Avid.

Mike Teutsch August 14th, 2005 07:36 AM

I loaded QT 7 a few weeks ago and it messed up my computer. Delinks After Effects I guess you could say. So, I'll have to wait for another version too. Looking forward to seeing it though.

Mike

Ron Tucker August 14th, 2005 07:44 PM

Used IE
 
I used IE to stop the application quitting. Safari was buggy for me as well.
Couldn't you use something like SnapZ to make a copy for yourself as a reference? Just wondering. . .

Bruce S. Yarock August 14th, 2005 09:03 PM

I finally got it to load, but it only plays about 1/4 way through. Any idea when it will be available on dvd?
Bruce yarock

Paul Taylor August 15th, 2005 11:33 AM

I also had problems at first, I then paused the video in the pop up screen and waited until the whole thing had transfered, then pressed play and all was well.

Hope this helps others in strife.

Learnt a lot.

Meryem Ersoz August 15th, 2005 01:43 PM

safari worked just fine for me--took awhile to load, though.

this is a great video, just the sort of thing canon should be packaging with their XL2. the available information on getting the most out of that camera has been underwhelming.

i almost sold my XL2 three times now, for a range of reasons. but this video and the custom presets manager software (where is that mac version??) are helping me to hold onto the dang thing. i'm finally making friends with it.

thank you, to whoever made and shared this.....

Patrick King August 15th, 2005 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meryem Ersoz
the custom presets manager software (where is that mac version??) are helping me to hold onto the dang thing. i'm finally making friends with it.

thank you, to whoever made and shared this.....

Meryem, That would be Steve Duke of Blue Barn Pictures. And Steve would love to have a Mac version also, but he has to have the Mac SDK from Canon before he can do that. If any XL2 users haven't downloaded, and used the XL2 Presets Manager, you'll thank Steve when you finally do, especially after playing with the presets Chris posted as a Sticky in the XL2 Watchdog forum.

Lauren Brazil August 16th, 2005 11:04 PM

Blurring Technique
 
I watched bits at pieces of the Feature Tour (for some reason it studdered throughout on my crappy computer), and I saw that the technique of blurring everything but the subject was addressed. I couldn't see any details on that subject. So I was hoping someone could tell me how to do this with my XL2. I want to get my actress in the foreground and blur the background. For some reason I can't get it with manually focusing. Is there a trick? Thanks in advance.

-Lauren


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