cheap solution for MOS; and which cheaper cams are you using as decks without dropout at DVinfo.net

Lonnie Bell · April 4th, 2006, 06:03 AM

hi guys,
outsmarted myself, brand new xl2, can't afford the deck yet, so i bought a canon (matching manufacturers didn't help) zr200 for $300+ thinking it could pass along the 1's and 0's without too much hickup, and the bonus was it has analog passthrough so i could also monitor on my PVM... WRONG!

well, the PVM monitoring worked well and a one hour MQ had zero video dropouts and only four-thousand one-hundred seventyeight audio dropouts - *&^%&$%&^%

i recaptured with the XL2, as much as that hurt me to do that to the heads... not one dropout to FCP5!

so, any ideas, or do i have to save more marbles for the DSR11... thanks in advance - Lonnie

p.s. for you MOS guys - this was a perfect workaround!

Frank Moss · April 8th, 2006, 10:13 AM

but we use a Canon ZR50MC as a deck when we are on shoots. We capture to premiere and don't get any *noticeable* dropouts or lost frames. though that is ONLY with 4:3 60i footage - anything else it can't handle right. using the S-Video out we can view on our monitor, but we lose audio on preiveiws.

A better solution, caputre to disk with something like DV rack if you already have a windows laptop.

but best advice - buy a deck. - just a note on the DSR-11 it likes Sony tapes (they have a liquid lubricant on them where as Panasonic and such tapes use a dry lubricant and switch back and forth mucks up the heads of your XL2) and you should use only ONE brand of tape stock in both. do a search for tape stock here in the watchdog forums.

Cheers

all comments are my opinion and not nessacaily reflect those of anyone else.

Paul Cuoco · April 10th, 2006, 04:05 PM

I have a Canon XL2 to shoot with and a Canon ZR200 I use almost exclusively as a deck and have never had a drop out.

Was your ZR200 new? Did you try cleaning the heads?

Matthew Nayman · April 10th, 2006, 05:09 PM

I use a ZR 80 to capture, yo ucan capture 16:9, all that. Any cam should transfer the info. It's only 1's and 0's, right?

Greg Boston · April 10th, 2006, 08:28 PM

Folks, this is an ongoing issue with Canon cameras. Some of them have a little bit of mis-alignment which means they'll play back fine using the XL-2 but not with other decks. I have this exact problem with one of my XL-2 cameras but not with the other. It's a hit or miss problem so one person may be able to use the $200 cheapo cam for capture, while others may not.

You can always send the camera to Canon to get it aligned so that other decks are compatible. Just be sure to archive any tapes you've already shot because they won't playback once the camera is back in your hands.

-gb-

April 4th, 2006, 06:03 AM	#1
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	cheap solution for MOS; and which cheaper cams are you using as decks without dropout hi guys, outsmarted myself, brand new xl2, can't afford the deck yet, so i bought a canon (matching manufacturers didn't help) zr200 for $300+ thinking it could pass along the 1's and 0's without too much hickup, and the bonus was it has analog passthrough so i could also monitor on my PVM... WRONG! well, the PVM monitoring worked well and a one hour MQ had zero video dropouts and only four-thousand one-hundred seventyeight audio dropouts - *&^%&$%&^% i recaptured with the XL2, as much as that hurt me to do that to the heads... not one dropout to FCP5! so, any ideas, or do i have to save more marbles for the DSR11... thanks in advance - Lonnie p.s. for you MOS guys - this was a perfect workaround!

April 8th, 2006, 10:13 AM	#2
Frank Moss Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO. Posts: 26	Nothing beats a good deck... but we use a Canon ZR50MC as a deck when we are on shoots. We capture to premiere and don't get any noticeable dropouts or lost frames. though that is ONLY with 4:3 60i footage - anything else it can't handle right. using the S-Video out we can view on our monitor, but we lose audio on preiveiws. A better solution, caputre to disk with something like DV rack if you already have a windows laptop. but best advice - buy a deck. - just a note on the DSR-11 it likes Sony tapes (they have a liquid lubricant on them where as Panasonic and such tapes use a dry lubricant and switch back and forth mucks up the heads of your XL2) and you should use only ONE brand of tape stock in both. do a search for tape stock here in the watchdog forums. Cheers all comments are my opinion and not nessacaily reflect those of anyone else. __________________ -- Frank Moss nine 13 media http://nine13media.net/

April 10th, 2006, 04:05 PM	#3
Paul Cuoco Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 93	I have a Canon XL2 to shoot with and a Canon ZR200 I use almost exclusively as a deck and have never had a drop out. Was your ZR200 new? Did you try cleaning the heads? __________________ To live a creative life, we must first lose our fear of being wrong. - Joseph Chilton Pearce

April 10th, 2006, 05:09 PM	#4
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	I use a ZR 80 to capture, yo ucan capture 16:9, all that. Any cam should transfer the info. It's only 1's and 0's, right?

April 10th, 2006, 08:28 PM	#5
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Folks, this is an ongoing issue with Canon cameras. Some of them have a little bit of mis-alignment which means they'll play back fine using the XL-2 but not with other decks. I have this exact problem with one of my XL-2 cameras but not with the other. It's a hit or miss problem so one person may be able to use the $200 cheapo cam for capture, while others may not. You can always send the camera to Canon to get it aligned so that other decks are compatible. Just be sure to archive any tapes you've already shot because they won't playback once the camera is back in your hands. -gb-