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Jonathan Grant · June 26th, 2006, 12:14 PM

On the feature we have three cameras, two XL2s and an XL1. Most of the time the XL2s will be available but for the times that they aren't we'll have to use an XL1. Is that a problem? Is the difference that noticable? Is there anything we can do to make it less noticable?

Greg Boston · June 26th, 2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Grant

On the feature we have three cameras, two XL2s and an XL1. Most of the time the XL2s will be available but for the times that they aren't we'll have to use an XL1. Is that a problem? Is the difference that noticable? Is there anything we can do to make it less noticable?

It's very noticable. You'll need to create a custom preset on the Xl2 by tweaking the picture controls to look like the Xl1.

-gb-

Ash Greyson · June 26th, 2006, 01:51 PM

AND you will have to really kill a lot of the advantages the XL2 gives you. I can give you a preset that will match but the resolution and frame rates just wont match. XL1 is really only 360 lines in 16:9 mode, then, you deinterlace that to get the 24P motion and what you are left with is EXTREMELY soft. You would need a black diffusion filter on the XL2 and have the sharpness all the way down. If you want them to REALLY match, shoot the XL2 in 4:3 60i Mode, then crop it and deinterlace it in post... still.... what a shame!

Just use the XL2s!

ash =o)

Jonathan Grant · June 26th, 2006, 07:33 PM

I wish we could use the XL2s the whole time! We will have them the vast majority of the time and possibly all the time. But a big possibility is that we will have to go a day or two with only the XL1. I don't want to do anything to the XL2's excellent picture. Is there nothing we can do to the XL1 in post or anything to make the difference less noticable? Obviously if we were doing a 2 camera shoot of an interview we could put the XL1 in black and white, something a lot of people do. But that won't really work when we do whole days of shooting in XL1.

Andrew Todd · June 26th, 2006, 07:54 PM

maybe shoot different stuff with the xl1.. stick to a specific location with the xl1 that you want to give a different "feel" .. so you wouldnt be mixing too much... it would really depend on your shoot and your goals. you could use the image difference as a tool instead of a problem

Ash Greyson · June 27th, 2006, 01:59 AM

WHat are you shooting that you need multiple cameras anyway? That is really unconventional in narrative work... What day(s) do you need an XL2? I may be able to help...

ash =o)

Jonathan Grant · June 28th, 2006, 02:23 PM

The XL2s belong to the DPs and they don't like anyone else using them but them. They are coordinating schedules to try and make sure one of them is always there. But if they can't be we'll be stuck to the XL1 which the co-producer owns.

Ash, you are welcome to help with the crew in any way you'd like. I'll definitely keep you in mind! If you'd like email me jgrant@mail.snu.edu so we can discuss. :)

Ash Greyson · June 28th, 2006, 06:37 PM

Who is your DP? I know most the decent DPs in the area...

ash =o)

Jonathan Grant · July 3rd, 2006, 11:57 PM

You probably don't know them as they are very fresh out. I know them personally because I've worked with them. Very talented guys. One is moving to Boston the end of the Summer. Actually they are directors but their strength is their framing ability and creating artistic interesting shots. Dustin Faust and Josh Mackamie.

June 26th, 2006, 12:14 PM	#1
Jonathan Grant Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: norman, OK Posts: 111	XL1 and XL2 On the feature we have three cameras, two XL2s and an XL1. Most of the time the XL2s will be available but for the times that they aren't we'll have to use an XL1. Is that a problem? Is the difference that noticable? Is there anything we can do to make it less noticable?

June 26th, 2006, 07:54 PM	#5
Andrew Todd Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Saint John, CANADA Posts: 633	maybe shoot different stuff with the xl1.. stick to a specific location with the xl1 that you want to give a different "feel" .. so you wouldnt be mixing too much... it would really depend on your shoot and your goals. you could use the image difference as a tool instead of a problem __________________ video : xl2 / letus35xl / bogen 503 photo- canon 1dmkII - bronica etrsi

June 26th, 2006, 01:51 PM	#3
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	AND you will have to really kill a lot of the advantages the XL2 gives you. I can give you a preset that will match but the resolution and frame rates just wont match. XL1 is really only 360 lines in 16:9 mode, then, you deinterlace that to get the 24P motion and what you are left with is EXTREMELY soft. You would need a black diffusion filter on the XL2 and have the sharpness all the way down. If you want them to REALLY match, shoot the XL2 in 4:3 60i Mode, then crop it and deinterlace it in post... still.... what a shame! Just use the XL2s! ash =o)

June 26th, 2006, 07:33 PM	#4
Jonathan Grant Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: norman, OK Posts: 111	I wish we could use the XL2s the whole time! We will have them the vast majority of the time and possibly all the time. But a big possibility is that we will have to go a day or two with only the XL1. I don't want to do anything to the XL2's excellent picture. Is there nothing we can do to the XL1 in post or anything to make the difference less noticable? Obviously if we were doing a 2 camera shoot of an interview we could put the XL1 in black and white, something a lot of people do. But that won't really work when we do whole days of shooting in XL1.

June 27th, 2006, 01:59 AM	#6
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	WHat are you shooting that you need multiple cameras anyway? That is really unconventional in narrative work... What day(s) do you need an XL2? I may be able to help... ash =o)

June 28th, 2006, 02:23 PM	#7
Jonathan Grant Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: norman, OK Posts: 111	The XL2s belong to the DPs and they don't like anyone else using them but them. They are coordinating schedules to try and make sure one of them is always there. But if they can't be we'll be stuck to the XL1 which the co-producer owns. Ash, you are welcome to help with the crew in any way you'd like. I'll definitely keep you in mind! If you'd like email me jgrant@mail.snu.edu so we can discuss. :)

June 28th, 2006, 06:37 PM	#8
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Who is your DP? I know most the decent DPs in the area... ash =o)

July 3rd, 2006, 11:57 PM	#9
Jonathan Grant Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: norman, OK Posts: 111	You probably don't know them as they are very fresh out. I know them personally because I've worked with them. Very talented guys. One is moving to Boston the end of the Summer. Actually they are directors but their strength is their framing ability and creating artistic interesting shots. Dustin Faust and Josh Mackamie.