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Robert Niemann · November 25th, 2005, 06:23 AM

How much is the quantity of data with SD-SDI (in Gbps or Mbps)?

Pete Bauer · November 25th, 2005, 07:08 AM

My understanding from very limited reading is that the SD SDI spec allows variable bit rates from 143 Mbps to 540 Mbps, but that 270 Mbps seems to be the standard data rate that most equipment will support. I don't know how the XL H1 handles SD SDI; maybe someone with more tech info can add some comments.

John Mitchell · November 25th, 2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

My understanding from very limited reading is that the SD SDI spec allows variable bit rates from 143 Mbps to 540 Mbps, but that 270 Mbps seems to be the standard data rate that most equipment will support. I don't know how the XL H1 handles SD SDI; maybe someone with more tech info can add some comments.

SMPTE standard is 270Mbps so that should be what the camera outputs.

Robert Niemann · November 25th, 2005, 08:30 AM

I think, the SD-SDI feature of the XL H1 is a very interesting one too. I just cannot wait to see the quality in comparison with DV, DVCPRO and DVCPRO50.
Does anybody know, why with SD-SDI there could be variable bit rates from 143 Mbps to 540 Mbps, as Pete has written?

Keith Wakeham · November 25th, 2005, 02:21 PM

Its not "variable" per say. It has to do with the exact specification of the image. Colourspace (4:2:2 vs 4:4:4) and bitdepth (8bit or 10bit) are the actual big factors that change bitrate along with the sample frequency, but like said before 270Mbps is pretty much the standard for SMPTE 125.

SMPTE 125M = 27mhz at max of 10 bit = 270mbps
SMPTE 267M = 36mhz at max of 10 bit = 360mbps
SMPTE 344M = 54mhz at max of 10 bit = 540mbps
SMPTE 274M = 74.25mhz at 20bit = 1.485Gbps

Most SD-SDI will be smpte 125, if its widescreen possibly (doubtful at best, haven't even see this used anywhere) smpte 267m, and really strange and high end smpte 344. The XL H1 will be Smpte 274M and if it does SD over SDI then SMPTE 125M but I would doubt any of the others. The actual capturable datarate is dependant on active samples which is actually different rate, just a little lower.

Daniel Broadway · November 25th, 2005, 02:26 PM

So, what kind of setup would you need to capture 4:2:2 SD?

Bob Grant · November 25th, 2005, 04:57 PM

A BMD declink card and a decent SATA RAID 0 disk system on either a Mac or a PC. For field recording either a Digital Betacam or DVCPRO50 deck. Don't know much about DVCPRO 50 but for DB Sony do a field recorder. Any tape based recorder though is going to cost you more than the camera I think.

Daniel Broadway · November 25th, 2005, 05:18 PM

How much would a SATA RAID setup cost? Sorry, I am very new to this.

Keith Wakeham · November 28th, 2005, 04:03 PM

720 x 486 x 10 bit (?) x 30 fps x 1 full channel and 2 half channels = 25 Megabytes/ Second.

So a nice single Sata drive should deal okay and a two drive raid 0 should be plenty.

Black magic has their prices on their website and all you would need other than that is a sata card and a couple of drives. Aja cards are available too, and I think they recently released PC versions of their cards. The 7200.8 seagates are pretty fast along with the Maxline III in the larger sizes. Sorry I can't give a better idea on price, it varies a lot and a lot of PC's have sata Raid onboard.

Daniel Broadway · November 28th, 2005, 04:43 PM

Ok, I've never looked into Raid drives. I don't know where to buy them, or anything. I'll have to research a bit more.

November 25th, 2005, 06:23 AM	#1
Robert Niemann Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany Posts: 109	Sd-sdi How much is the quantity of data with SD-SDI (in Gbps or Mbps)?

November 25th, 2005, 07:08 AM	#2
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	My understanding from very limited reading is that the SD SDI spec allows variable bit rates from 143 Mbps to 540 Mbps, but that 270 Mbps seems to be the standard data rate that most equipment will support. I don't know how the XL H1 handles SD SDI; maybe someone with more tech info can add some comments. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

November 25th, 2005, 02:21 PM	#5
Keith Wakeham Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: St. John's, NL, Canada Posts: 416	Its not "variable" per say. It has to do with the exact specification of the image. Colourspace (4:2:2 vs 4:4:4) and bitdepth (8bit or 10bit) are the actual big factors that change bitrate along with the sample frequency, but like said before 270Mbps is pretty much the standard for SMPTE 125. SMPTE 125M = 27mhz at max of 10 bit = 270mbps SMPTE 267M = 36mhz at max of 10 bit = 360mbps SMPTE 344M = 54mhz at max of 10 bit = 540mbps SMPTE 274M = 74.25mhz at 20bit = 1.485Gbps Most SD-SDI will be smpte 125, if its widescreen possibly (doubtful at best, haven't even see this used anywhere) smpte 267m, and really strange and high end smpte 344. The XL H1 will be Smpte 274M and if it does SD over SDI then SMPTE 125M but I would doubt any of the others. The actual capturable datarate is dependant on active samples which is actually different rate, just a little lower. __________________ www.engr.mun.ca/~wakeham/index.htm

November 28th, 2005, 04:03 PM	#9
Keith Wakeham Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: St. John's, NL, Canada Posts: 416	720 x 486 x 10 bit (?) x 30 fps x 1 full channel and 2 half channels = 25 Megabytes/ Second. So a nice single Sata drive should deal okay and a two drive raid 0 should be plenty. Black magic has their prices on their website and all you would need other than that is a sata card and a couple of drives. Aja cards are available too, and I think they recently released PC versions of their cards. The 7200.8 seagates are pretty fast along with the Maxline III in the larger sizes. Sorry I can't give a better idea on price, it varies a lot and a lot of PC's have sata Raid onboard. __________________ www.engr.mun.ca/~wakeham/index.htm

November 25th, 2005, 08:30 AM	#4
Robert Niemann Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany Posts: 109	I think, the SD-SDI feature of the XL H1 is a very interesting one too. I just cannot wait to see the quality in comparison with DV, DVCPRO and DVCPRO50. Does anybody know, why with SD-SDI there could be variable bit rates from 143 Mbps to 540 Mbps, as Pete has written?

November 25th, 2005, 02:26 PM	#6
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	So, what kind of setup would you need to capture 4:2:2 SD?

November 25th, 2005, 04:57 PM	#7
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	A BMD declink card and a decent SATA RAID 0 disk system on either a Mac or a PC. For field recording either a Digital Betacam or DVCPRO50 deck. Don't know much about DVCPRO 50 but for DB Sony do a field recorder. Any tape based recorder though is going to cost you more than the camera I think.

November 25th, 2005, 05:18 PM	#8
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	How much would a SATA RAID setup cost? Sorry, I am very new to this.

November 28th, 2005, 04:43 PM	#10
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	Ok, I've never looked into Raid drives. I don't know where to buy them, or anything. I'll have to research a bit more.