Uncompressed XL H1 footage via HD-SDI to DVCPROHD VTR? at DVinfo.net

Andrew Oh · March 10th, 2006, 04:35 PM

Hey guys,

I've been looking for the best option for an indie film. I own an HVX200 but I know that the XL H1 has the best rez for any camera under $10,000.

So my question is this. Can I run HD-SDI out from the XL H1 to a Panasonic VTR deck and record the feed as DVCPROHD? That way, I can import the footage and edit on my Final Cut system.

Reason for the trouble? I dislike the HDV format but want to utilize the XL H1's resolution.

Is this a viable option? I don't have much experience using VTR's. Thanks!

Andrew

Chris Hurd · March 11th, 2006, 11:09 AM

Indeed you can, in fact this is exactly how Canon USA recorded their "Watchmaker" 24F demo that's been circulating at their trade shows and dealer trainings. Just be aware that the SDI output from the H1 carries video and sync data only... no time code or audio. You can get time code from the H1's TC output instead. Audio is best sourced from an external sound system separate from the camera.

Gary McClurg · March 11th, 2006, 08:20 PM

I was wondering if someone has tried this yet... how does the 24f translate...

Sending a crew down to Cancun for some second unit stuff... some of the tech guys at Laser Pacific said that the camera goes perfectly into an HDcam deck...

Just wanted to see if someone else has done this...

Thanks

Chris Hurd · March 11th, 2006, 09:49 PM

It goes perfectly into any VTR that has an SDI input. That includes HDCAM, DigiBeta, whatever.

Andrew Oh · March 12th, 2006, 03:14 AM

Thanks for the reply Chris! That's some very exciting news. I'd love to give it a shot when my film gets off the ground. Awesome!

Jonas Nystrom · March 28th, 2006, 10:51 AM

Is it possible to run and record to a mini DV casette in camera while capturing via SDI output?

Robert Sanders · March 28th, 2006, 11:05 AM

Absolutely. I just did a greenscreen shoot where I recorded the HD-SDI into my Decklink card and simultaneously recorded HDV to tape. I primarily used the tape to record the audio. I then re-sync'd them in FCP.

Barlow Elton · March 28th, 2006, 11:27 AM

Robert,

Did you try keying the SDI (I'm presuming DV100 acquisition?) AND the HDV originated footage and compare the two? It would be interesting to read your take on that.

Robert Sanders · March 28th, 2006, 12:09 PM

Actually captured full raster PhotoJPEG. I haven't tried keying the HDV material. But keying the P-JPG stuff is going very very well. But because it's a project for Disney I'm forbidden from sharing any of the footage or frames.

K. Forman · March 28th, 2006, 12:41 PM

Is any of that Disney footage of the Haunted Mansion? I always loved that place!

Robert Sanders · March 28th, 2006, 01:11 PM

Unfortunately no. It's for a new consumer product.

I was lucky enough, however, to shoot a project for Disney inside Disneyland back in December (a dual XL2 shoot). That was a thrill for me personally.

http://disney.go.com/inside/yearbook/

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Barlow Elton · March 28th, 2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Sanders

Actually captured full raster PhotoJPEG. I haven't tried keying the HDV material. But keying the P-JPG stuff is going very very well. But because it's a project for Disney I'm forbidden from sharing any of the footage or frames.

Glad to hear that's working well. You finally got the full raster capture. Cool...what did you change?

Speaking of Disney...

I have to share something from me 'ol film school daze. I did this for a doc filmmaking class almost 9 years ago. It's called "Disney on Ice".

http://www.threeringfilms.net/Three%...0On%20Ice.html

Encoded from the only surviving VHS copy, shot in an afternoon with a crappy 1 chip tiny Sony DV camera in "widescreen" mode, with some Super8 film too. I didn't know how to "unsqueeze" the DV at the time, and I was just beginning to use the old crappy Adobe Premiere 4.2 (mac version) with a Miro capture card. Crashes, sync problems, but it was better than the school's old D-Vision NLE systems.

Robert Sanders · March 28th, 2006, 03:13 PM

Manually set the frame size to 1920x1080, square pixels, codec=PhotoJPEG, Quality = 75%.

Robert Sanders · March 28th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow Elton

Glad to hear that's working well. You finally got the full raster capture. Cool...what did you change?

Speaking of Disney...

I have to share something from me 'ol film school daze. I did this for a doc filmmaking class almost 9 years ago. It's called "Disney on Ice".

http://www.threeringfilms.net/Three%...0On%20Ice.html

Encoded from the only surviving VHS copy, shot in an afternoon with a crappy 1 chip tiny Sony DV camera in "widescreen" mode, with some Super8 film too. I didn't know how to "unsqueeze" the DV at the time, and I was just beginning to use the old crappy Adobe Premiere 4.2 (mac version) with a Miro capture card. Crashes, sync problems, but it was better than the school's old D-Vision NLE systems.

Dude. That was some funny *** ****! I love Mickey doing the "loco" sign. LOL! Brilliant!

Barlow Elton · March 28th, 2006, 03:17 PM

Thanks man. I can't take much credit other than shooting and editing it. My friend Joe Reafsnyder and I came up with the idea quickly and shot the thing a few days before our project was due.

Credit where credit's due: my friend Tony just ad-libbed everything. Funny guy.

March 10th, 2006, 04:35 PM	#1
Andrew Oh Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 86	Uncompressed XL H1 footage via HD-SDI to DVCPROHD VTR? Hey guys, I've been looking for the best option for an indie film. I own an HVX200 but I know that the XL H1 has the best rez for any camera under $10,000. So my question is this. Can I run HD-SDI out from the XL H1 to a Panasonic VTR deck and record the feed as DVCPROHD? That way, I can import the footage and edit on my Final Cut system. Reason for the trouble? I dislike the HDV format but want to utilize the XL H1's resolution. Is this a viable option? I don't have much experience using VTR's. Thanks! Andrew

March 11th, 2006, 11:09 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Indeed you can, in fact this is exactly how Canon USA recorded their "Watchmaker" 24F demo that's been circulating at their trade shows and dealer trainings. Just be aware that the SDI output from the H1 carries video and sync data only... no time code or audio. You can get time code from the H1's TC output instead. Audio is best sourced from an external sound system separate from the camera. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 11th, 2006, 08:20 PM	#3
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	Camera to HDCAM deck I was wondering if someone has tried this yet... how does the 24f translate... Sending a crew down to Cancun for some second unit stuff... some of the tech guys at Laser Pacific said that the camera goes perfectly into an HDcam deck... Just wanted to see if someone else has done this... Thanks

March 11th, 2006, 09:49 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	It goes perfectly into any VTR that has an SDI input. That includes HDCAM, DigiBeta, whatever. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 28th, 2006, 10:51 AM	#6
Jonas Nystrom Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 306	Question Is it possible to run and record to a mini DV casette in camera while capturing via SDI output? __________________ Jonas Nyström, DoP :: HOT SHOT® SWEDEN :: www.hotshot.nu :: RED #1567, RED 18-50mm T3 :: XL A1, Letus Extreme :: XL H1, 20X & 6X lens (for sale) :: www.vimeo.com/nystrom

March 12th, 2006, 03:14 AM	#5
Andrew Oh Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 86	Thanks for the reply Chris! That's some very exciting news. I'd love to give it a shot when my film gets off the ground. Awesome!

March 28th, 2006, 11:05 AM	#7
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Absolutely. I just did a greenscreen shoot where I recorded the HD-SDI into my Decklink card and simultaneously recorded HDV to tape. I primarily used the tape to record the audio. I then re-sync'd them in FCP. __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

March 28th, 2006, 11:27 AM	#8
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Robert, Did you try keying the SDI (I'm presuming DV100 acquisition?) AND the HDV originated footage and compare the two? It would be interesting to read your take on that.

March 28th, 2006, 12:09 PM	#9
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Actually captured full raster PhotoJPEG. I haven't tried keying the HDV material. But keying the P-JPG stuff is going very very well. But because it's a project for Disney I'm forbidden from sharing any of the footage or frames. __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

March 28th, 2006, 12:41 PM	#10
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Is any of that Disney footage of the Haunted Mansion? I always loved that place! __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

March 28th, 2006, 01:11 PM	#11
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Unfortunately no. It's for a new consumer product. I was lucky enough, however, to shoot a project for Disney inside Disneyland back in December (a dual XL2 shoot). That was a thrill for me personally. http://disney.go.com/inside/yearbook/ - __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

March 28th, 2006, 03:13 PM	#13
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Manually set the frame size to 1920x1080, square pixels, codec=PhotoJPEG, Quality = 75%. __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

March 28th, 2006, 03:17 PM	#15
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Thanks man. I can't take much credit other than shooting and editing it. My friend Joe Reafsnyder and I came up with the idea quickly and shot the thing a few days before our project was due. Credit where credit's due: my friend Tony just ad-libbed everything. Funny guy.