H1 to HDCAM dubbing--anyone have experience? at DVinfo.net

Charles Papert · April 19th, 2006, 08:41 PM

I am doing a two camera shoot, with an F900 and an XLH1 tomorrow. The H1 footage will be bumped up to HDCAM and then all footage will be brought into an NLE (not sure which one). I'm not involved in the edit but I want to make sure that I'm not boning the editor. Wondering if there are any critical settings to make on the XLH1, such as the 24F pulldown selector (2:3 or 2:3:3:2) which will aid in a decent dub to HDCAM. Also want to make sure the TC will transfer over.

Thanks!

Chris Hurd · April 20th, 2006, 07:29 AM

Hi Chas, the pulldown selector is available only in standard def DV mode.

Mark Silva · April 21st, 2006, 11:09 PM

I just worked on an edit this week with HDCAM tapes for the first time.

The footage intercut F900 and XL-H1 and I was really impressed with how well it all cut together. The client who also shot it had rented the H1 and told me recently he loves how well it worked out that he's going to buy one.

Great Camera!

Nick Hiltgen · April 23rd, 2006, 01:18 AM

Chas, if you still need it we shot some stuff today in 24f I'll take it into the office tomorrow and see how much of a PITA it is transfer to HD-CAM my guess is it's not too bad, however I don't know yet how an AVID would read it.

Charles Papert · April 23rd, 2006, 02:15 AM

I guess I'll find out over the next week or two how it worked out on that project. The shoot went well at least (thanks for your help during the prep, Nick).

Barlow Elton · April 23rd, 2006, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Papert

Also want to make sure the TC will transfer over.

TC will need to be converted from TC out BNC connector, most likely to RS-422 into the HDCAM deck. I haven't ever used one of these adapters before, but I have, as cheesy as it sounds, been able to transfer timecode along with the SDI via LANC to RS-422 adapter.

You will probably have to have three connections to the HDCAM deck. The TC, the SDI/component analog and the analog audio converted to XLR.

If you want the easiest thing...at the moment it's expensive but it would simplify things: http://www.convergent-design.com/

Nick Hiltgen · April 23rd, 2006, 12:24 PM

The convergent box still might not support the xl-h1 yet (they've just updated the firmware). They're beta testing it right now with my camera in atlanta, if it works I'll be sure to let you guys know but before it only worked with the sony and still had trouble with canon's 24F.

Barlow Elton · April 23rd, 2006, 03:04 PM

Thanks for the report, Nick. Seems like everybody's having trouble with 24F...other than ProspectHD/Wafian/Cineform

The LANC-RS-422 thing I have actually works fairly well for simple timecode transfer. Hopefully that Convergent box will be working with 24F soon.

Nick Hiltgen · April 23rd, 2006, 05:45 PM

Barlow, spoke to my guys in atlanta and it would seem that this newest version of the convergent box, does in fact handle the 24F ok. The only issue there seems to be a lag either way of 6 frames or so at times. I haven't seen it myself so I cna't verify it, but over all they seem pretty happy with it.

Daniel Epstein · June 2nd, 2006, 05:11 PM

Has anybody done the transfer from XLH1 HDV 24F to HDCAM lately. I am shooting some footage tomorrow which will be bumped to HDCAM next week. Anyone come up with a smooth workflow. I know I will use the camera for playback but I figured I would ask. SDI into HDCAM Deck, TC Out of camera into Deck, Genlock In to XLH1?, Audio out of the RCA's into the deck. Sound about right?

Daniel Epstein · June 7th, 2006, 04:37 PM

Well we did our transfer from HDV 24F to HDCAM today. Went pretty smoothly. Client wanted 23.98 so we had to go through a Teranex to get from 60i HDSDI to 23.98 and the audio routing needed an A to D as well. Footage looked very clean and we will see what the clients says once they edit. Camera performed like a champ in the rain with a Portabrace rain cover actually made for the JVC 100. Today was the perfect day for a Canon HDV deck since I had to carry the camera with me in another Rainstorm (We are getting a lot of rain here lately) to the Posthouse.

April 19th, 2006, 08:41 PM	#1
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	H1 to HDCAM dubbing--anyone have experience? I am doing a two camera shoot, with an F900 and an XLH1 tomorrow. The H1 footage will be bumped up to HDCAM and then all footage will be brought into an NLE (not sure which one). I'm not involved in the edit but I want to make sure that I'm not boning the editor. Wondering if there are any critical settings to make on the XLH1, such as the 24F pulldown selector (2:3 or 2:3:3:2) which will aid in a decent dub to HDCAM. Also want to make sure the TC will transfer over. Thanks! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

April 20th, 2006, 07:29 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Hi Chas, the pulldown selector is available only in standard def DV mode. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 23rd, 2006, 01:18 AM	#4
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Chas, if you still need it we shot some stuff today in 24f I'll take it into the office tomorrow and see how much of a PITA it is transfer to HD-CAM my guess is it's not too bad, however I don't know yet how an AVID would read it. __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

April 23rd, 2006, 02:15 AM	#5
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	I guess I'll find out over the next week or two how it worked out on that project. The shoot went well at least (thanks for your help during the prep, Nick). __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

April 23rd, 2006, 12:24 PM	#7
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	The convergent box still might not support the xl-h1 yet (they've just updated the firmware). They're beta testing it right now with my camera in atlanta, if it works I'll be sure to let you guys know but before it only worked with the sony and still had trouble with canon's 24F. __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

April 21st, 2006, 11:09 PM	#3
Mark Silva Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 431	I just worked on an edit this week with HDCAM tapes for the first time. The footage intercut F900 and XL-H1 and I was really impressed with how well it all cut together. The client who also shot it had rented the H1 and told me recently he loves how well it worked out that he's going to buy one. Great Camera!

April 23rd, 2006, 03:04 PM	#8
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Thanks for the report, Nick. Seems like everybody's having trouble with 24F...other than ProspectHD/Wafian/Cineform The LANC-RS-422 thing I have actually works fairly well for simple timecode transfer. Hopefully that Convergent box will be working with 24F soon.

April 23rd, 2006, 05:45 PM	#9
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Barlow, spoke to my guys in atlanta and it would seem that this newest version of the convergent box, does in fact handle the 24F ok. The only issue there seems to be a lag either way of 6 frames or so at times. I haven't seen it myself so I cna't verify it, but over all they seem pretty happy with it. __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

June 2nd, 2006, 05:11 PM	#10
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	Has anybody done the transfer from XLH1 HDV 24F to HDCAM lately. I am shooting some footage tomorrow which will be bumped to HDCAM next week. Anyone come up with a smooth workflow. I know I will use the camera for playback but I figured I would ask. SDI into HDCAM Deck, TC Out of camera into Deck, Genlock In to XLH1?, Audio out of the RCA's into the deck. Sound about right?

June 7th, 2006, 04:37 PM	#11
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	Well we did our transfer from HDV 24F to HDCAM today. Went pretty smoothly. Client wanted 23.98 so we had to go through a Teranex to get from 60i HDSDI to 23.98 and the audio routing needed an A to D as well. Footage looked very clean and we will see what the clients says once they edit. Camera performed like a champ in the rain with a Portabrace rain cover actually made for the JVC 100. Today was the perfect day for a Canon HDV deck since I had to carry the camera with me in another Rainstorm (We are getting a lot of rain here lately) to the Posthouse.