Help with capturing 25F at DVinfo.net

Axel Pauporte · June 16th, 2006, 06:15 AM

Hi,

I'm trying to capture 25F footage and I'm having serious issues...
I tried capturing on a G5 with FCP 5.1 and keep having timecode issues... I also tried with a new Mac Book Pro 17'' and it does the same thing :
It works kind of ok in "capture now" mode , but when I put in and out points and try to "batch capture" it doesn't work properly at all... it never finds the timecode of the first clip and gives an error message or sometimes it finds it and captures it, but in 2 seperate clips, etc...
I chose the 50i mode in the settings as I understand the Canon 25F is a "fake progressive mode" and really is 50 interlace, is that right ?
Anyways, would anyone have experienced the same ? If you can make it work on your system, would you please tell me what your entire system set-up is...?! and how to capture 25F in a RELIABLE way, as I have over 50 hours of footage to go thru...! Even if I have to switch to a PC, I would be ready to do that at this point to be able to start working... What other software allows to capture 25F properly ???
Any help would be great
Thanks in advance.

Ron Pfister · June 16th, 2006, 06:31 AM

While I can't give you any direct advice on 25F, I'd like to note that FCP has severe problems with batch captures of footage with TC-breaks. Did you use free-run TC? If so, that could well be your problem - your only option would be to use Capture Now, and FCP would then create a new clip at each TC break. You would loose the first 2s12f of each clip if you set pre-roll duration to 1 second, and correspondingly more if you use longer pre-roll.

HTH,

Ron

Axel Pauporte · June 16th, 2006, 07:11 AM

Thanks Ron, but no, I did not use free-run TC.
Anybody out there editing with 25F ??

Ed Moore · June 25th, 2006, 07:24 AM

Hi Axel, I had similar problems which I eventually realised stemmed from a combination of batch capture and the 'make new clip on TC break' settings in the Batch Capture window. I suspect what was happening was that FCP would get so caught up in making a new clip automatically that it screwed up the system which was trying to cue up exactly to a particular timecode point.

But as Ron says, free run or time of day timecode is not a luxury one can afford when using batch captures.

Axel Pauporte · June 25th, 2006, 08:37 AM

Thanks very much Ed, but did you find a working solution to that problem ?
(FYI : I did not use free run or time of day TC)

Daniel Epstein · June 25th, 2006, 08:45 AM

Axel,
HDV does not work as well in Batch Capture as DV. Capture Now is the preferred method. I found logging clips only worked about 50% of the time. This improved if I actually stopped the tape to get the in and out numbers.

Ed Moore · June 25th, 2006, 01:01 PM

Hi Axel, yep I just turned off the 'make new clip on TC break' option.

Good luck!

June 16th, 2006, 06:15 AM	#1
Axel Pauporte New Boot Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seignosse, South west of France Posts: 6	Help with capturing 25F Hi, I'm trying to capture 25F footage and I'm having serious issues... I tried capturing on a G5 with FCP 5.1 and keep having timecode issues... I also tried with a new Mac Book Pro 17'' and it does the same thing : It works kind of ok in "capture now" mode , but when I put in and out points and try to "batch capture" it doesn't work properly at all... it never finds the timecode of the first clip and gives an error message or sometimes it finds it and captures it, but in 2 seperate clips, etc... I chose the 50i mode in the settings as I understand the Canon 25F is a "fake progressive mode" and really is 50 interlace, is that right ? Anyways, would anyone have experienced the same ? If you can make it work on your system, would you please tell me what your entire system set-up is...?! and how to capture 25F in a RELIABLE way, as I have over 50 hours of footage to go thru...! Even if I have to switch to a PC, I would be ready to do that at this point to be able to start working... What other software allows to capture 25F properly ??? Any help would be great Thanks in advance.

June 16th, 2006, 06:31 AM	#2
Ron Pfister Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Basel area, Switzerland Posts: 285	While I can't give you any direct advice on 25F, I'd like to note that FCP has severe problems with batch captures of footage with TC-breaks. Did you use free-run TC? If so, that could well be your problem - your only option would be to use Capture Now, and FCP would then create a new clip at each TC break. You would loose the first 2s12f of each clip if you set pre-roll duration to 1 second, and correspondingly more if you use longer pre-roll. HTH, Ron __________________ Ronald P. Pfister halimedia - digital solutions and services www.halimedia.com

June 25th, 2006, 07:24 AM	#4
Ed Moore Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 35	Hi Axel, I had similar problems which I eventually realised stemmed from a combination of batch capture and the 'make new clip on TC break' settings in the Batch Capture window. I suspect what was happening was that FCP would get so caught up in making a new clip automatically that it screwed up the system which was trying to cue up exactly to a particular timecode point. But as Ron says, free run or time of day timecode is not a luxury one can afford when using batch captures. __________________ - Ed Moore DP

June 25th, 2006, 01:01 PM	#7
Ed Moore Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 35	Hi Axel, yep I just turned off the 'make new clip on TC break' option. Good luck! __________________ - Ed Moore DP

June 16th, 2006, 07:11 AM	#3
Axel Pauporte New Boot Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seignosse, South west of France Posts: 6	Thanks Ron, but no, I did not use free-run TC. Anybody out there editing with 25F ??

June 25th, 2006, 08:37 AM	#5
Axel Pauporte New Boot Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seignosse, South west of France Posts: 6	Thanks very much Ed, but did you find a working solution to that problem ? (FYI : I did not use free run or time of day TC)

June 25th, 2006, 08:45 AM	#6
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	Axel, HDV does not work as well in Batch Capture as DV. Capture Now is the preferred method. I found logging clips only worked about 50% of the time. This improved if I actually stopped the tape to get the in and out numbers.