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Spike Spiegel · December 29th, 2006, 10:45 PM

this is a 2part question about mixing footage from 3 diff HDV cams, the Z1 from Sony, the XLh1 from Canon and the HV10.

a) Is there a custom preset out (thats not posted here) that matches the look of the sony z1, sony z1 seems to be far more saturated compared to a stock custom preset on xlh1.

b) is the hv10's color output relatively similar to the xl?

Bruce S. Yarock · December 30th, 2006, 01:47 AM

Spike,
We just did two seperate shoots with almost the exact 3 cams. I have an H1, FX1 and HV10. One shoot was in HDv and the other in sd.here's what I found:
1- The FX1 (or Z1) is more sturated than the H1. I used to have a preset on my XL2 that matched better with the FX1, but don't have one yet for the H1.If you figure something out, please post it.
2-You have to be carefull with the HV10, because it tends to evrexpose a bit.We were using it as a 3rd cam in a really rushed indoor shoot, so I set it to Tv mode (shutter prioritry) and had to let a PA watch the camer. If I had ben able to watch it myself, I would have lowered the exposure. There's no way to control the gain (that I coild find) on the HV10. But it is a great image.
Bruce yarock
www.yarock.com

Bob Hart · December 30th, 2006, 03:51 AM

Spike.

It is probably not a lot of use to you however at this web address :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXyJZHPYPP0

there is a music clip of a studio recording session, which was shot with four cameras in mixed formats HDV and MiniDV :-

The first shot POV of mix desk operator through glass (shows blue microphone) was a Sony HDRFX1 + AGUS35 shooting HDV.

The wide master high viewpoint was a Sony HVRZ1P shooting HDV.

The wide floor level view was a Canon XL1 shooting MiniDV.

The roving close-up camera was a Canon XL2 + Letus35 XL flip shooting MiniDV.

All cameras were white-balanced to the same card in the direction of their intended view.

Lighting consisted entirely of very small halogen ceiling reflective downlights.

The only adjustments in post were to rescale the images to match and letterbox for export to web as MP4 file.

Exposure levels and colour balance of all camera shots were not corrected.

Spike Spiegel · December 31st, 2006, 01:29 AM

Thanks for the responses. I know for a fact that the z1 is more saturated than the xlh1 (in stock custom preset). Am going to have to figure out a way to get the XL to come close to the z1's warm color, but don't want to over do it any way. Not sure how closely the hv10 matches, but I will test all this out soon and report back. Would help tremendously if someone else can also do a test or custom preset for the xlh1 to match the hv10 or z1/fx1 series.

Spike Spiegel · January 1st, 2007, 11:54 AM

hey guys, so far from what we've seen, the hv10 and the xlh1 image is relatively close to each other. The hv10 likes to overexpose really easy so a nd filter or polarizer must be used for bright days.

The z1 is a tad bit saturated/darker with no color profiles on and its white balance preset set to outdoors. I'm going to tweak the WB preset down to -4 to see if that helps match up with the xl pic. Other than that, its actually not too horrific in image color differences.

Lou Bruno · January 1st, 2007, 11:59 AM

On the HV-10, use the VIVID mode. A good ND filter is required at times.
I use my zebra stripes to watch my exposure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce S. Yarock

Spike,
We just did two seperate shoots with almost the exact 3 cams. I have an H1, FX1 and HV10. One shoot was in HDv and the other in sd.here's what I found:
1- The FX1 (or Z1) is more sturated than the H1. I used to have a preset on my XL2 that matched better with the FX1, but don't have one yet for the H1.If you figure something out, please post it.
2-You have to be carefull with the HV10, because it tends to evrexpose a bit.We were using it as a 3rd cam in a really rushed indoor shoot, so I set it to Tv mode (shutter prioritry) and had to let a PA watch the camer. If I had ben able to watch it myself, I would have lowered the exposure. There's no way to control the gain (that I coild find) on the HV10. But it is a great image.
Bruce yarock
www.yarock.com

Bruce S. Yarock · January 1st, 2007, 07:32 PM

Lou,
Which nd filter are you using on your hv10?
Bruce S. yarock
www.yarock.com

Austin Walton · February 10th, 2007, 12:57 PM

Does the Canon HV10 not have manual exposure capabilities? I'm thinking about getting one to use along side my XL H1.

EDIT:

I found the Canon HV10 forum. I'll look around there.

December 29th, 2006, 10:45 PM	#1
Spike Spiegel Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	mixing HDV cameras this is a 2part question about mixing footage from 3 diff HDV cams, the Z1 from Sony, the XLh1 from Canon and the HV10. a) Is there a custom preset out (thats not posted here) that matches the look of the sony z1, sony z1 seems to be far more saturated compared to a stock custom preset on xlh1. b) is the hv10's color output relatively similar to the xl?

February 10th, 2007, 12:57 PM	#8
Austin Walton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: TX Posts: 66	Exposure? Does the Canon HV10 not have manual exposure capabilities? I'm thinking about getting one to use along side my XL H1. EDIT: I found the Canon HV10 forum. I'll look around there.

December 30th, 2006, 01:47 AM	#2
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Spike, We just did two seperate shoots with almost the exact 3 cams. I have an H1, FX1 and HV10. One shoot was in HDv and the other in sd.here's what I found: 1- The FX1 (or Z1) is more sturated than the H1. I used to have a preset on my XL2 that matched better with the FX1, but don't have one yet for the H1.If you figure something out, please post it. 2-You have to be carefull with the HV10, because it tends to evrexpose a bit.We were using it as a 3rd cam in a really rushed indoor shoot, so I set it to Tv mode (shutter prioritry) and had to let a PA watch the camer. If I had ben able to watch it myself, I would have lowered the exposure. There's no way to control the gain (that I coild find) on the HV10. But it is a great image. Bruce yarock www.yarock.com

December 30th, 2006, 03:51 AM	#3
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,476	Spike. It is probably not a lot of use to you however at this web address :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXyJZHPYPP0 there is a music clip of a studio recording session, which was shot with four cameras in mixed formats HDV and MiniDV :- The first shot POV of mix desk operator through glass (shows blue microphone) was a Sony HDRFX1 + AGUS35 shooting HDV. The wide master high viewpoint was a Sony HVRZ1P shooting HDV. The wide floor level view was a Canon XL1 shooting MiniDV. The roving close-up camera was a Canon XL2 + Letus35 XL flip shooting MiniDV. All cameras were white-balanced to the same card in the direction of their intended view. Lighting consisted entirely of very small halogen ceiling reflective downlights. The only adjustments in post were to rescale the images to match and letterbox for export to web as MP4 file. Exposure levels and colour balance of all camera shots were not corrected.

December 31st, 2006, 01:29 AM	#4
Spike Spiegel Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	Thanks for the responses. I know for a fact that the z1 is more saturated than the xlh1 (in stock custom preset). Am going to have to figure out a way to get the XL to come close to the z1's warm color, but don't want to over do it any way. Not sure how closely the hv10 matches, but I will test all this out soon and report back. Would help tremendously if someone else can also do a test or custom preset for the xlh1 to match the hv10 or z1/fx1 series.

January 1st, 2007, 11:54 AM	#5
Spike Spiegel Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 429	hey guys, so far from what we've seen, the hv10 and the xlh1 image is relatively close to each other. The hv10 likes to overexpose really easy so a nd filter or polarizer must be used for bright days. The z1 is a tad bit saturated/darker with no color profiles on and its white balance preset set to outdoors. I'm going to tweak the WB preset down to -4 to see if that helps match up with the xl pic. Other than that, its actually not too horrific in image color differences.

January 1st, 2007, 07:32 PM	#7
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Lou, Which nd filter are you using on your hv10? Bruce S. yarock www.yarock.com