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Shaggy Franks · June 17th, 2004, 05:02 PM

Hi,

I saw a Music Video today with a interesting effect.
All the Motion was very quick but the Voice and Lip and Hands/finger Movement was in sync.

I was wondering how that is done, is it a NLE effect, Camera setting?
Or do just behave normal except for the Vocal and Instrument movement, and then speed up the Film to sync?

Thanks

Shaggy

Keith Loh · June 17th, 2004, 05:17 PM

Did it look like the singer was part of the background? The singer could have been composited in.

Harsh manual method: singer lip synchs to a slowed down version of the song. Painstaking!

Shaggy Franks · June 17th, 2004, 05:22 PM

No, the Singer was also a Part of this effect.

First I thought they might just some kinda a effect (which I don't know) maybe to remove some frames. to give it that jumpy look?

Keith Loh · June 17th, 2004, 06:20 PM

Can you remember the title of the video?

Don Palomaki · June 17th, 2004, 07:04 PM

Note that good audio edting software can stretch sound while preserving pitch. This could speed up the sound with out changing he pitch. Could be coupled with speed-up video.

Scott Balkum · June 17th, 2004, 08:16 PM

This is a simple concept. They play back the song very slowly when filming. The singer sings to the slow song. When the music is played back at normal speed, the singer is "accelerated" while singing normally.

Rob Onekea · June 18th, 2004, 02:30 AM

I've used this effect many times and for the effect I think you're looking for, I saw it in a Linkin Park video with a girl moving relatively slow and everyone else whizzing by... I believe that was probably green screened, slow shutter for the crowd, and probably 60fps while shooting the female slo-mo....

my thought..

Adam Burtle · June 27th, 2004, 04:25 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Scott Balkum : This is a simple concept. They play back the song very slowly when filming. The singer sings to the slow song. When the music is played back at normal speed, the singer is "accelerated" while singing normally. -->>>

Yep, i've used this too, works very well. Trick is getting the lip synch right on.

Saving private ryan also had a lot of shots done at half speed and then sped up to give it a chaotic feel, iirc

Darko Flajpan · June 28th, 2004, 12:53 AM

One of my talents was walking and singing backwards...very hard,very effective and...unusual?

Larry Hill · June 28th, 2004, 10:11 PM

The reverse effect is also used: I saw a behind-the-scenes documentary on a Faith Hill video where the audio playback was sped up as was the camera frame rate. When played back at normal speed , she appeared to be singing in normal time while the background scene moved in slow motion - making for an appealing effect.

Miguel Lombana · June 29th, 2004, 09:00 AM

I'm wondering if he's thinking of an effect that is used a lot in post where portions of the video are sped up to get from point a to point b in 3/4 or 1/2 the time?

I know that I've seen it done a lot on edisodes of Survivor where they are flying over the team camp or the ocean and then suddenly the camera shot seems to slide 3 miles in 2 seconds.

There is a High Definintion Video clip on the Microsoft download page for Media 9 called "Coral Reef" that does this type of effect.

I've tried it a couple of times, but my footage it never quite as ellegant so it does not seem to lend itself to what I'm doing.

I know that a lot of video houses for music video post tend to re-use the same effects over and over and time slipping is really hot right now and has been for a while (remember the 80's where every MTV video had to have smoke machines for no reason at all!).

Best I can determine, simple clip speed adjustments and a couple of track layers with varied speeds and objects.

June 17th, 2004, 05:02 PM	#1
Shaggy Franks Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Georgia Posts: 76	Speed Effect? Hi, I saw a Music Video today with a interesting effect. All the Motion was very quick but the Voice and Lip and Hands/finger Movement was in sync. I was wondering how that is done, is it a NLE effect, Camera setting? Or do just behave normal except for the Vocal and Instrument movement, and then speed up the Film to sync? Thanks Shaggy __________________ Apple Pro

June 17th, 2004, 05:17 PM	#2
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Did it look like the singer was part of the background? The singer could have been composited in. Harsh manual method: singer lip synchs to a slowed down version of the song. Painstaking! __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

June 17th, 2004, 05:22 PM	#3
Shaggy Franks Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Georgia Posts: 76	No, the Singer was also a Part of this effect. First I thought they might just some kinda a effect (which I don't know) maybe to remove some frames. to give it that jumpy look? __________________ Apple Pro

June 17th, 2004, 06:20 PM	#4
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Can you remember the title of the video? __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

June 17th, 2004, 07:04 PM	#5
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,487	Note that good audio edting software can stretch sound while preserving pitch. This could speed up the sound with out changing he pitch. Could be coupled with speed-up video. __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

June 17th, 2004, 08:16 PM	#6
Scott Balkum Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 67	This is a simple concept. They play back the song very slowly when filming. The singer sings to the slow song. When the music is played back at normal speed, the singer is "accelerated" while singing normally.

June 18th, 2004, 02:30 AM	#7
Rob Onekea Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Way Out West Posts: 27	I've used this effect many times and for the effect I think you're looking for, I saw it in a Linkin Park video with a girl moving relatively slow and everyone else whizzing by... I believe that was probably green screened, slow shutter for the crowd, and probably 60fps while shooting the female slo-mo.... my thought..

June 27th, 2004, 04:25 PM	#8
Adam Burtle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 173	<<<-- Originally posted by Scott Balkum : This is a simple concept. They play back the song very slowly when filming. The singer sings to the slow song. When the music is played back at normal speed, the singer is "accelerated" while singing normally. -->>> Yep, i've used this too, works very well. Trick is getting the lip synch right on. Saving private ryan also had a lot of shots done at half speed and then sped up to give it a chaotic feel, iirc

June 28th, 2004, 12:53 AM	#9
Darko Flajpan Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bjelovar, Croatia Posts: 153	One of my talents was walking and singing backwards...very hard,very effective and...unusual?

June 28th, 2004, 10:11 PM	#10
Larry Hill Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Western, VA Posts: 26	The reverse effect is also used: I saw a behind-the-scenes documentary on a Faith Hill video where the audio playback was sped up as was the camera frame rate. When played back at normal speed , she appeared to be singing in normal time while the background scene moved in slow motion - making for an appealing effect.

June 29th, 2004, 09:00 AM	#11
Miguel Lombana Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Litchfield Park, AZ (W/of Phoenix) Posts: 502	I'm wondering if he's thinking of an effect that is used a lot in post where portions of the video are sped up to get from point a to point b in 3/4 or 1/2 the time? I know that I've seen it done a lot on edisodes of Survivor where they are flying over the team camp or the ocean and then suddenly the camera shot seems to slide 3 miles in 2 seconds. There is a High Definintion Video clip on the Microsoft download page for Media 9 called "Coral Reef" that does this type of effect. I've tried it a couple of times, but my footage it never quite as ellegant so it does not seem to lend itself to what I'm doing. I know that a lot of video houses for music video post tend to re-use the same effects over and over and time slipping is really hot right now and has been for a while (remember the 80's where every MTV video had to have smoke machines for no reason at all!). Best I can determine, simple clip speed adjustments and a couple of track layers with varied speeds and objects. __________________ Miguel Lombana http://www.miguellombana.com & http://www.phoenixhamradio.com