Wide-angle lens choices for XL1? at DVinfo.net

Craig Weinstein · February 27th, 2003, 02:20 PM

Hey all,

This is my first post on this fourm. It looks like a great support community and I'm glad to be here! I don't own an XL1 series camcorder yet but I am planning on purchasing one in the next few months.

How would you guys rate the 3X wide angle Canon lens? Is it difficult to get/hold focus? Are there limitations built in that are similar to the standard 16X II auto-zoom?

I know I want the 16X manual servo lens (tedious adjustments and all) for its greater user control over the standard lens. Are there any wide angle full-manual capable lenses available for the XL1?

screw-on lens adapters seem like the only 2nd option. Can you use an additional wide-angle converter on the 3X lens for an even more aggressive view?

Using my Canon EOS lenses for anything other than long-distance shots is out of the question with the x7.2 focal length conversion.

Much appreciated!

Craig Weinstein

Chris Hurd · February 27th, 2003, 02:46 PM

Welcome aboard, Craig! Have you seen this XL Wide Angle Lens review?

Craig Weinstein · February 27th, 2003, 07:29 PM

No, I haven't seen that article. I'll go check it out now. Thanks!

Dylan Couper · February 28th, 2003, 12:41 AM

Well, I love the 3x lens, despite has the same servo zoom that the stock 16x lens does. I consider it one of the most valuable tools in my camera kit. The article Chris posted covers it fairly well.

Zoom through converters are a viable alternative to the 3x lens, especialy since they are about half the price. However, if you can find a used 3x lens, it's easily worth the extra difference.

As far as I know, there are no manual wide angle lenses for the XL1.

Chris Hurd · February 28th, 2003, 02:30 AM

There could be a full manual wide angle lens, if someone was willing to buy this Fuji 12x and modify it as described.

Craig Weinstein · February 28th, 2003, 08:47 AM

I looked up that Watchdog article on lens options the other day but I didn't think the Fujinon 12x wide lens went anything beyond a non-useable possibility.

If Optex, Century Optics or Fujinon itself were to release an XL1 adapter (and servo remount) I'd put this lens on my list. I do not have the knowledge or experience necessary, however, to mess with optical mounts.

So I guess at this point my best lens choices upon purchase of my XL1S will be:

*Canon 16X Manual Servo Zoom
*Canon 3X Wide Angle auto-zoom
*EOS lens adapter for my 35mm lenses
*Step-down screw-on lens adapters? (to adapt wide, fisheye, macro, or zoom converters?

Thanks guys!

Craig

Don Palomaki · February 28th, 2003, 05:21 PM

Century Optics offers some bayonet-on wide angle converters/adapters for standad XL1 lenses. Not cheap, but good. They offer different degrees of zoom-through.

Andrew Petrie · March 1st, 2003, 09:27 AM

I'm currently opting for (but have not purchased yet) the 16x Manual, and using that as my base for lense application. So, instead of buying a 3x wide as well, I'm looking at the Century Optics wide angle attachments. I thought I'd take advantage of the 16x Manual's stationary head for various applications.

Unless anyone has some better advice... :)

Ken Tanaka · March 2nd, 2003, 12:35 AM

Andrew,
I have the 3x lens and really believe it's an excellent value and very useful. It's worth saving up for if your budget is tight.

Failing that, although I've not used the Century .7x adapter I assume it's of good quality. Century has a very good reputation for optical manufacturing.

Off hand, the caveat that comes to mind is one of weight. The adapter will add 720g of additional weight to the already-hefty 920g 16x manual servo lens, giving the assembly a total weight of just over 3.6 lbs. What's more, that additional weight will be at the end of the 16x lens, the point of greatest moment-arm on an already nose-heavy camera. That configuration will make the camera even more uncomfortable and unsteady for handheld shooting, a consideration that may be particularly acute since the 16x offers no image stabilization.

The other issue that comes to mind is the adapter's apparent lack of a hood or even a fitting for a hood. (I say "apparent" based on the photgraph of the product on Century's site.) Wide-angle shots are especially susceptible to off-angle lens flare.

Andrew Petrie · March 2nd, 2003, 10:09 AM

I'm not too concerned about the weight. Being an avid weight lifter has it's advantages in this field :)

The .7 adapter does come at a price however, but still cheaper than the Canon 3x. I want the manual in any case, but I do see the shading problem you mentioned. More to ponder over!

Tom Hardwick · March 6th, 2003, 09:39 AM

The 3x wide-angle has always seemed a bit expensive to me, loosing the Steadyshot feature and not going particually wide either. Optex make two add-on single elements, but they're spherical and add lots of barrel distortion (bad). Same goes for all of the common zoom-through converters - a cheap way of doing it, but too much distortion for my liking.

Best to aim for an aspheric like the Bolex Aspheron (made for 16mm film). This can be used on the 3x and will dramatically shorten the focal length.

tom.

Takeshi Fukushima · March 10th, 2003, 08:48 PM

can someone give some links on manufacturors of wide conversion lens and wide attach lenses for xl1?

Ken Tanaka · March 10th, 2003, 09:22 PM

Century Optics, Optex.

Please see the notice linked at the bottom of this message.

Dylan Couper · March 10th, 2003, 11:48 PM

Cavision also makes some wide angle goodness for the XL1.

ja135321 · March 11th, 2003, 08:09 PM

my $.02, save for the 3x. I use my 3x more than I do the 16.

February 27th, 2003, 02:20 PM	#1
Craig Weinstein Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Melbourne, Florida USA Posts: 35	Wide-angle lens choices for XL1? Hey all, This is my first post on this fourm. It looks like a great support community and I'm glad to be here! I don't own an XL1 series camcorder yet but I am planning on purchasing one in the next few months. How would you guys rate the 3X wide angle Canon lens? Is it difficult to get/hold focus? Are there limitations built in that are similar to the standard 16X II auto-zoom? I know I want the 16X manual servo lens (tedious adjustments and all) for its greater user control over the standard lens. Are there any wide angle full-manual capable lenses available for the XL1? screw-on lens adapters seem like the only 2nd option. Can you use an additional wide-angle converter on the 3X lens for an even more aggressive view? Using my Canon EOS lenses for anything other than long-distance shots is out of the question with the x7.2 focal length conversion. Much appreciated! Craig Weinstein

February 27th, 2003, 02:46 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Welcome aboard, Craig! Have you seen this XL Wide Angle Lens review? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 28th, 2003, 12:41 AM	#4
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Well, I love the 3x lens, despite has the same servo zoom that the stock 16x lens does. I consider it one of the most valuable tools in my camera kit. The article Chris posted covers it fairly well. Zoom through converters are a viable alternative to the 3x lens, especialy since they are about half the price. However, if you can find a used 3x lens, it's easily worth the extra difference. As far as I know, there are no manual wide angle lenses for the XL1. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

February 28th, 2003, 02:30 AM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	There could be a full manual wide angle lens, if someone was willing to buy this Fuji 12x and modify it as described. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 1st, 2003, 09:27 AM	#8
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	I'm currently opting for (but have not purchased yet) the 16x Manual, and using that as my base for lense application. So, instead of buying a 3x wide as well, I'm looking at the Century Optics wide angle attachments. I thought I'd take advantage of the 16x Manual's stationary head for various applications. Unless anyone has some better advice... :) __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

February 27th, 2003, 07:29 PM	#3
Craig Weinstein Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Melbourne, Florida USA Posts: 35	No, I haven't seen that article. I'll go check it out now. Thanks!

February 28th, 2003, 08:47 AM	#6
Craig Weinstein Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Melbourne, Florida USA Posts: 35	I looked up that Watchdog article on lens options the other day but I didn't think the Fujinon 12x wide lens went anything beyond a non-useable possibility. If Optex, Century Optics or Fujinon itself were to release an XL1 adapter (and servo remount) I'd put this lens on my list. I do not have the knowledge or experience necessary, however, to mess with optical mounts. So I guess at this point my best lens choices upon purchase of my XL1S will be: Canon 16X Manual Servo Zoom Canon 3X Wide Angle auto-zoom EOS lens adapter for my 35mm lenses Step-down screw-on lens adapters? (to adapt wide, fisheye, macro, or zoom converters? Thanks guys! Craig

February 28th, 2003, 05:21 PM	#7
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,487	Century Optics offers some bayonet-on wide angle converters/adapters for standad XL1 lenses. Not cheap, but good. They offer different degrees of zoom-through.

March 2nd, 2003, 12:35 AM	#9
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Andrew, I have the 3x lens and really believe it's an excellent value and very useful. It's worth saving up for if your budget is tight. Failing that, although I've not used the Century .7x adapter I assume it's of good quality. Century has a very good reputation for optical manufacturing. Off hand, the caveat that comes to mind is one of weight. The adapter will add 720g of additional weight to the already-hefty 920g 16x manual servo lens, giving the assembly a total weight of just over 3.6 lbs. What's more, that additional weight will be at the end of the 16x lens, the point of greatest moment-arm on an already nose-heavy camera. That configuration will make the camera even more uncomfortable and unsteady for handheld shooting, a consideration that may be particularly acute since the 16x offers no image stabilization. The other issue that comes to mind is the adapter's apparent lack of a hood or even a fitting for a hood. (I say "apparent" based on the photgraph of the product on Century's site.) Wide-angle shots are especially susceptible to off-angle lens flare. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

March 2nd, 2003, 10:09 AM	#10
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	I'm not too concerned about the weight. Being an avid weight lifter has it's advantages in this field :) The .7 adapter does come at a price however, but still cheaper than the Canon 3x. I want the manual in any case, but I do see the shading problem you mentioned. More to ponder over! __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

March 6th, 2003, 09:39 AM	#11
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	The 3x wide-angle has always seemed a bit expensive to me, loosing the Steadyshot feature and not going particually wide either. Optex make two add-on single elements, but they're spherical and add lots of barrel distortion (bad). Same goes for all of the common zoom-through converters - a cheap way of doing it, but too much distortion for my liking. Best to aim for an aspheric like the Bolex Aspheron (made for 16mm film). This can be used on the 3x and will dramatically shorten the focal length. tom.

March 10th, 2003, 08:48 PM	#12
Takeshi Fukushima Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 86	links can someone give some links on manufacturors of wide conversion lens and wide attach lenses for xl1?

March 10th, 2003, 09:22 PM	#13
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Century Optics, Optex. *Please see the notice linked at the bottom of this message.* __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

March 10th, 2003, 11:48 PM	#14
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Cavision also makes some wide angle goodness for the XL1. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 11th, 2003, 08:09 PM	#15
ja135321 Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 90	3x canon my $.02, save for the 3x. I use my 3x more than I do the 16.