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Bill Ravens · September 1st, 2007, 09:49 AM

David....

I am hoping you can shed some insight on Cineform's NEO HDV future, considering that Vegas 8 will be introducing 32 bit floating point processing for it's rendering engine. Given that the current version of Neo HDV is 8-bit, will Cineform be upgrading Neo HDV, or will you be recommending that Vegas users upgrade to a higher bit level of the Cineform codec.

In short, will Neo HDV be adequate for Vegas 8, to provide the highest image quality available? Clearly, with 8 bit A-D coming out of HDV cameras, perhaps it's guilding the lily to move to 10 bit Neo HD. Nevertheless, analog capture via the component out ports provides a 12 bit D-A stream(at least from the HD110). I beleive HDLink will, currently, capture at 10-bit.

David Newman · September 1st, 2007, 10:00 AM

NEO HDV is an 8-bit product for all inputs and outputs. I can't say what we are doing to support a new 32-bit float Vegas, but enhanced features would likely be in NEO HD/2K. It isn't "guilding the lily" to use deep workflows for 8-bit uses -- remember the classic HDCAM is 8-bit yet post of that footage is typically deeper than 8. While NEO HD for capture from an 8-bit source doesn't change much, although it does add 10-bit analog HDSDI capture, the big advantage would be on exports from a deeper color space, preserving more information.

Bill Ravens · September 1st, 2007, 03:46 PM

Thanx for your reply. Appreciated as always.

Kris Bird · September 2nd, 2007, 06:45 AM

Since 10bit int/ 32bit float post workflows will now be opening up to a whole new audience, are you considering an intermediate version of NEO HDV/HD for those capturing 8bit 1440x1080 but wanting to take advantage of >8bit 1440x1080 intermediate files? My perspective is that to those with a 10bit square pixel 1080 ingest capability, the NEO HD package may be economical, but there will now be a large userbase of 8bit 1440h ingesting vegas users with a high bit depth post workflow at their fingertips. I understand that AE has always existed, but most projects never leave the NLE, so it is significant.

Joe Carney · September 4th, 2007, 06:43 PM

Any chance something like Prospect 2K becomes available for Vegas 8?

Jack Zhang · September 5th, 2007, 07:01 AM

I'd love for HDMI capturing directly to NEOHD in Vegas, no RAID required if you use NEOHD. It is essential for a green screener without a RAID.

Peter Plevritis · September 5th, 2007, 07:11 AM

Do you have any idea if reading the proper timecode from a cineform avi (from a HVX200 MXF) into Vegas8 is now working? This has been one of the issues keeping me from getting it.

Yeah, more support for Vegas is always appreciated.

Thanks

Bill Ravens · September 5th, 2007, 09:06 PM

Jack...

I had thoughts very much the same as yours. However, for me to have access to a PC(laptop or workstation) to injest component analog from my HD110, would be very impractical.

Having said that, I think about something like a firestore FS4HD that takes input from the 12bit engine, component outs, feeds a portable hard drive and processor that encodes with NeoHD to a 4:2:2, 10 bit intermediate file.

David, is this even possible?

September 1st, 2007, 09:49 AM	#1
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Cineform Neo HDV and Vegas8 David.... I am hoping you can shed some insight on Cineform's NEO HDV future, considering that Vegas 8 will be introducing 32 bit floating point processing for it's rendering engine. Given that the current version of Neo HDV is 8-bit, will Cineform be upgrading Neo HDV, or will you be recommending that Vegas users upgrade to a higher bit level of the Cineform codec. In short, will Neo HDV be adequate for Vegas 8, to provide the highest image quality available? Clearly, with 8 bit A-D coming out of HDV cameras, perhaps it's guilding the lily to move to 10 bit Neo HD. Nevertheless, analog capture via the component out ports provides a 12 bit D-A stream(at least from the HD110). I beleive HDLink will, currently, capture at 10-bit.

September 1st, 2007, 10:00 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	NEO HDV is an 8-bit product for all inputs and outputs. I can't say what we are doing to support a new 32-bit float Vegas, but enhanced features would likely be in NEO HD/2K. It isn't "guilding the lily" to use deep workflows for 8-bit uses -- remember the classic HDCAM is 8-bit yet post of that footage is typically deeper than 8. While NEO HD for capture from an 8-bit source doesn't change much, although it does add 10-bit analog HDSDI capture, the big advantage would be on exports from a deeper color space, preserving more information. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 4th, 2007, 06:43 PM	#5
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Any chance something like Prospect 2K becomes available for Vegas 8? __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

September 1st, 2007, 03:46 PM	#3
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Thanx for your reply. Appreciated as always.

September 2nd, 2007, 06:45 AM	#4
Kris Bird Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 173	Since 10bit int/ 32bit float post workflows will now be opening up to a whole new audience, are you considering an intermediate version of NEO HDV/HD for those capturing 8bit 1440x1080 but wanting to take advantage of >8bit 1440x1080 intermediate files? My perspective is that to those with a 10bit square pixel 1080 ingest capability, the NEO HD package may be economical, but there will now be a large userbase of 8bit 1440h ingesting vegas users with a high bit depth post workflow at their fingertips. I understand that AE has always existed, but most projects never leave the NLE, so it is significant.

September 5th, 2007, 07:01 AM	#6
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	I'd love for HDMI capturing directly to NEOHD in Vegas, no RAID required if you use NEOHD. It is essential for a green screener without a RAID.

September 5th, 2007, 07:11 AM	#7
Peter Plevritis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 27	Do you have any idea if reading the proper timecode from a cineform avi (from a HVX200 MXF) into Vegas8 is now working? This has been one of the issues keeping me from getting it. Yeah, more support for Vegas is always appreciated. Thanks

September 5th, 2007, 09:06 PM	#8
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Jack... I had thoughts very much the same as yours. However, for me to have access to a PC(laptop or workstation) to injest component analog from my HD110, would be very impractical. Having said that, I think about something like a firestore FS4HD that takes input from the 12bit engine, component outs, feeds a portable hard drive and processor that encodes with NeoHD to a 4:2:2, 10 bit intermediate file. David, is this even possible?