Looks like there's a new Intel Atom capable of integrated "uncompressed 1080p capture":

Intel announces Atom CE4100 for insanely powerful cable boxes and Blu-ray players

Not sure what that's about... surely uncompressed capture is all about having the physical bandwidth to stream x amount of megabytes to the hard disk. I'm sure even the most basic Atom could do that already...

It will not help, that is a slower Atom core with a bunch of media cores attached -- only 1.2GHz. We need a faster dual core Atom. 2Ghz dual core Atom with a slightly faster FSB will do about do the trick.

That wont be that long then surely? I'd buy a Cineform Recorder for sure - Hardware can be so cheap now.

Can't work out why the other device is $5000 though!

High development costs vs. expectations of how many you will sell to recoup those costs and actually make some money.

Hardware may be cheap but the expertise to create something new can be expensive.
Sort of like cameras (cheap) vs. the person behind them (expensive).

At that price ($5K) though I would expect people to go to the Nanoflash.
As expensive as it is, it's very high quality combined with 40% less costly.

Reread "I can't speak on behalf of CineDeck as they are a separate company, but justa as a heads up I think there might be some good news in the near future regarding price points - that is, lower than posted currently on their website.
September 25th, 2009 07:11 AM"

The developers CineDeck is aware that some only may only want the base functionality like that of Nanoflash, and they are planning so address those users. However the $5K for the extra features is offers is very competitive.

I'd say a dual core 2.0GHz Atom is quite some way off - there's simply no need. Core 2 Duo ultra-low voltage CPUs might fill in the blank though.

$5,000 is excellent value for the other device. You've got to stop thinking of basic build cost and factor in research and development, the relatively microscopic market for the device, plus the fact that the guys who've made it would probably like to earn a living selling them.

With all the new portable media devices, slimmer faster cellphones, portable gaming, etc, I could see quite a bit of interest in dual core atom chips...

Well, as pointed out, the "new" Atom above actually has a lower clock speed, still a single core, but has custom "bolt-ons" into the architecture for stuff that would normally require a faster CPU.

new Asus laptop with Express Card and esata
 

Just saw this quick preview of an ASUS laptop with a retail price of $1500. It has an ExpressCard 54 slot, esata port plus a 15.6 inch monitor with 1920x1080 resolution.

It has an i7 processor at 1.6Ghz (turbo to 2.8), 4GB of 1066Mhz DDR3 memory and a Nvidia GTX 260M graphics chip. There are 2 320GB hard drives spinning at 7200 rpm.

For more details:
Asus G51J Core i7 Mobile Gaming Notebook Review - HotHardware

All looks good Bill but can I use it with my Sony Z1 to record and view live footage onto the laptop?

I can't answer that as I am unfamiliar with the Z1.

My thought is that this laptop paired with the Matrox MXO2 Mini might be a good solution for people like me who have the HV series camcorders from Canon and can get 4:2:2 color via the HDMI port and use Cineform software to improve the workflow.

This thread started 2 years ago in November 13th, 2007, 04:29 PM ...
"CineForm HDMI Recorder Concept " still concept ? !

Not quite. No hardware manufacture wanted to build the the prototype we proposed. :(

However, this CineForm recorder will be out in a couple of months (if not sooner.)
cinedeckHD Hardware's done just software to finish.

That's amazing David, and very sad. Too many vested interests out there? I've always had the impression that CineForm quality and workflow has been a thorn in the side of the big players. I do wonder if ProRes would exist at all if it weren't for CineForm...

Confused a little - So Cineform are building a hardware device as well as the cinedeck?


Or are you building just the software for the cinedeck?

CineDeck developer licensed our codec.

We have alway been a 99% software company, and the HMDI recorder project was going to happen the same way. We did have a hardware partner earlier in the project, but they went belly-up. Still open for others. We are still looking for non-custom hardware solution for this, like an Atom based netbook/embedded motherboard -- the performance is not quite there yet (so close though.)

David, thank you for info about CineDeck.

David what sort of specs you after?

Samsung X120 Netbook - Netbooks at Ebuyer

I've commented on the Atom spec's before in this long thread. Over 12-months ago 1.6Ghz dual Atom would encode 1080p at 16-17fps, with 533MHz FSB. The memory bus is faster now and clocks up a bit, but otherwise that haven't change much in a while. The missing feature to Atom setup is a single PCI-Express lane, so we can feed HDMI in without a big hardware effort. If as can get to 20fps with a PCI-E lane, we can do 24p/30i through SSD buffering -- it is really close.

I don't understand this statement at all. The two have nothing to do with each other and use totally different technologies.

ProRES (DCT) and CineForm (Wavelet) are too vary different technologies, but in many case serves the same purpose -- higher quality intermediate. However, Richard is more correct than is publicly known. More generally I think Avid's DNxHD and CineForm, lead Apple to ProRES. This is always a license, buy, or build it yourself decision, ProRES was not created in a vacuum.

Completely understood. I am aware of the DNx/ProRes connection, just couldn't see how to extrapolate that to Cineform, which if my information is correct, predates them both.

Yes, CineForm pre-dates both, and the first is still the best :)

Is this possible Cineform device a online or offline device?

I mean will I be plugging in my camera to the Cineform device and recording directly onto the netbook/nettop device? Will I have a live feed on the netbook so I can use it as a external monitor?

Or will it be a offline device and convert my tapes/mt2 files after I have got them off the camera?

The idea has always been to bypass camera compression recording CineForm directly in a mobile device -- whether that design included monitoring was only a bonus feature not a requirement.

Live screen would be a great feature! Ideal hardware setup would be the customer buys the hardware solution then just buys a Cineform pack that would do the recording and live feed.

The technology behind it is irrelevant. It is about the workflow. Cineform developed an edit friendly full raster 10bit 4:2:2 intermediate format that allowed you to edit 1080i/p at about 15MB/s. A year or two later Apple releases ProRes which does exactly the same thing (but using a different compression technology). They were trying to fill the same workflow hole with their own similar product. Then Cineform added support for 4:4:4 and Alpha channels, and recently Apple has added the same support to ProRes. There is a pretty obvious link on the competition and marketing side, regardless of the underlying technology. The shifting paradigm taking place of "compressed" becoming acceptable for professional work was pioneered by Cineform and a few other innovative companies, and then Apple and Avid jumped on once that shift in the industry mindset had already taken place.

New options from CES 2010
 

Fudzilla.com just posted some pictures and specs of an upcoming mini-itx motherboard from Zotac that use the H55 chipset from Intel with integrated graphics and 2 DDR-3 memory slots: Fudzilla - Zotac goes Intel

In looking at a review of an new ASUS H57 motherboard using an i5-661 power consumption is between 77 and 116 watts. (Power Consumption - Review Tom's Hardware : Intel Core i5-661: Clarkdale Rings The Death Knell Of Core 2) I would expect the Zotac board might also be in this range.

I haven't seen much info on the Tegra other than the CPU operates at 1 GHz and the memory is still DDR2.

ASUS has a new laptop called the G73Jh with an impressive set of components. No pricing has been listed.

I imagine there are other laptops and motherboards that will come from CES. Should be possible to build/buy a low powered device to capture via HDMI and capture with a Cineform product this Spring.

I'd love to know how the mobile i7s perform with CineForm. However, the real problem with a mobile device is that there really isn't an off-the-shelf solution you can easily adapt.

An mITX solution is lacking the inbuilt touchscreen you really need (I actually had an Intensity interfaced with a Mac Mini via its WiFi port). If you go for a laptop, you need to get VERY creative to interface PCI Express, to the point where you lose portability that way. I'd also prefer at least PCIe x4 bandwidth rather than the x1 laptops give you too. Maybe you could repurpose a notebook SLI solution (one GPU and one other device), but in my experience with mobile capture getting the hardware to do anything other than it was designed to do is a real pain.

Bearing all that in mind, the power draw seems like the smallest problem to me! I'd be very curious to know how CineDeck has made their device so small... FPGA? mITX with a really clever custom case?

I don't know if this info is any use or just a distraction.


CarTFT in Germany, stock a barebones version of a small USB touch-screen monitor in a sort of metal skeleton. I think but have not confirmed that it is the same innards or similar without the external casework to the monitor modified by P+S Technik used on the SI2K camera.

Which product in particular are you looking at?

About Cinedeck
 

Info from CML3D

New small form factor i7 motherboard
 

I just found out about this board via engadget.com:
Congatec BM57 fits mobile Core i7 onto tiny mobo -- Engadget

It looks like it has a lot of potential. Here's a link to their website with the press announcement:congatec: congatec announces new COM Express small form factor module based on latest Intel® Core? i7 processor

Mouser Electronics sells their products so you can get an idea of possible costs:
congatec Distributor

MSI's race car inspired F Series packs NVIDIA Optimus, we go hands-on -- Engadget

With all these new devices coming out they should be quick enough to support online streaming from a camera? I'd love to buy a small decent netbook/mini laptop and have a Cineform device connected so I can plug my camera into.

Any updates?

So is the sub-$2,000 dedicated CineForm recorder dead?

Not dead, just emerging in different forms. CineDeck won a couple of NAB award with it CineForm based mobile recorder and there are others in the works.

Isn't the CineDeck around $8,000? Maybe my emphasis was wrong. Is the sub-$2,000 CineForm recorder dead?

I've built a custom mini PC, battery powered, to capture from Si-2K into Cineform RAW.

Cost about $2K.

CPU photo below.

Rockstar can is shown for scale reference, I promise the PC is not powered by it! :)

Yes certainly DIY can be done for under $2K. The CineDeck is around $8K for a DualLink SR deck replacement, which is very cool but no where near $2K. Their HDMI version will be a lot less, although we don't know price yet. CineDeck is not the only company developing CineForm based mobile recorders so I expect we will see sub-$2K, just not likely in 2010.

...or one can buy my own DIY version cheap, and use it right now. Works fine. Field and studio tested.

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