Neo HDV vs Neo HD? Please help at DVinfo.net

Heath Vinyard · December 16th, 2008, 05:37 PM

Hey all.
I'm getting ready to start a new project, so I have a new budget, which is always nice. :)

I've been using Connect HD, since I use a JVC HD100/DRHD100 Firestore and Sony Vegas (v7.x), but now I'd like to move to Neo. Since the JVC produces a 720p 24fps, I was thinking Neo HDV would be the one for me, but upres'ing to 1080 would be really nice.

So my question is, would going to Neo HD and spending an extra $250 on the software reallty give me that much more with the setup that I have? From what I can tell, I'm only getting 10bit and upconvert to 1080 with the Neo HD version over the Neo HDV.

Thank you for any help.

Heath Vinyard · December 16th, 2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath Vinyard

Hey all.
I'm getting ready to start a new project, so I have a new budget, which is always nice. :)

I've been using Connect HD, since I use a JVC HD100/DRHD100 Firestore and Sony Vegas (v7.x), but now I'd like to move to Neo. Since the JVC produces a 720p 24fps, I was thinking Neo HDV would be the one for me, but upres'ing to 1080 would be really nice.

So my question is, would going to Neo HD and spending an extra $250 on the software reallty give me that much more with the setup that I have? From what I can tell, I'm only getting 10bit and upconvert to 1080 with the Neo HD version over the Neo HDV.

Thank you for any help.

I saw that this has been covered before and the big thing for going with Neo HD was the 10bit for color correction, which I do a lot of, and compositing, which I don't. Still on the fence here. A deciding factor would be like a $100 off sale at Cineform for Xmas. Hey guys. What'cha say? :)

Jay Bloomfield · December 16th, 2008, 07:46 PM

The main difference is that NEO HD will do 1920 x 1080 and NEO HDV will only do 1440 x 1080 (1.33 PAR). If you're not starting out with 1920 x 1080 on the camcorder, you're really paying a lot of extra cash for a small increase in quality via the 10 bit color.

Just as an aside, since Cineform recently dropped Aspect HD, maybe it's time for them to consider dropping NEO HDV also and cutting the price on NEO HD. After all, NEO HDV was targetted at consumer HDV camcorders and many of those have been superseded by AVCHD units that record with some semblance of 1920 x 1080.

David Taylor · December 16th, 2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Bloomfield

Just as an aside, since Cineform recently dropped Aspect HD, maybe it's time for them to consider dropping NEO HDV also and cutting the price on NEO HD. After all, NEO HDV was targetted at consumer HDV camcorders and many of those have been superseded by AVCHD units that record with some semblance of 1920 x 1080.

We have some changes a-brewing on the Neo front as well....Stay tuned....

Heath Vinyard · December 17th, 2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by David Taylor

We have some changes a-brewing on the Neo front as well....Stay tuned....

Hmm.... Sounds like I should hold out then. :)

Hugh Mobley · December 17th, 2008, 02:47 PM

I am in Orange county, Always looking for extra things to do, what do you have in mind

Heath Vinyard · December 17th, 2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Mobley

I am in Orange county, Always looking for extra things to do, what do you have in mind

Hey there Hugh.
Thanks for the reply. Currently I'm working on two projects. The first is a 5 episode action/thriller series web short.

The second is a feature length script that I wrote. I'm working on finding it's way into the system in some fashion. I've gotten coverage notes on it and it's getting really good reviews.

You can email me here and we can talk.
Heath
carcaridon@cox.net

Jay Bloomfield · December 18th, 2008, 09:15 PM

@Heath,

Just a friendly suggestion. Edit your email address in your last post and replace the "@" with the word "at" or you will be opening yourself up for a spam surprise, when someone scavenges your email address. If it was me, I would delete the email address altogether and use a PM.

Yang Wen · December 22nd, 2008, 01:32 AM

Does cineform offer upgrade option for Neo HDV users to upgrade to Neo HD? I originally purchased Neo HDV for use with my HV30.. I plan on getting a 5D Mark II which has 1080P resolution so I would need Neo HD...

David Taylor · December 22nd, 2008, 04:47 PM

Hi Yang,

Yes, CineForm offers an upgrade from Neo HDV to Neo HD at full value for Neo HDV. You can purchase this at our online store. NEO HD v3 (Windows Download)

Yang Wen · January 1st, 2009, 02:56 PM

WIll Neo Scene transcode 5DMK2 footage?

I'm deciding on purchasing both HMC150 and 5D2. I current also shoot with HV30. What is the minimum Cineform product that will transcode video from all 3 cameras?

David Taylor · January 1st, 2009, 03:15 PM

Yang, Neo Scene will *not* transcode 5D2 footage. 5D2 footage is not AVCHD from a wrapper standpoint even though the underlying compression is AVCHD I-Frame. But Neo HD *will* convert 5D2 footage.

Jay Bloomfield · January 3rd, 2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Bloomfield

Just as an aside, since Cineform recently dropped Aspect HD, maybe it's time for them to consider dropping NEO HDV also and cutting the price on NEO HD. After all, NEO HDV was targetted at consumer HDV camcorders and many of those have been superseded by AVCHD units that record with some semblance of 1920 x 1080.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Taylor

We have some changes a-brewing on the Neo front as well....Stay tuned....

Heh, heh, I should be entitled to some of that free brew. ;-)

David Taylor · January 3rd, 2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Bloomfield

Heh, heh, I should be entitled to some of that free brew. ;-)

You were 2/3 right as you didn't predict Neo Scene. But 2/3 is pretty good. Any stock market predictions?

December 16th, 2008, 05:37 PM	#1
Heath Vinyard Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 296	Neo HDV vs Neo HD? Please help Hey all. I'm getting ready to start a new project, so I have a new budget, which is always nice. :) I've been using Connect HD, since I use a JVC HD100/DRHD100 Firestore and Sony Vegas (v7.x), but now I'd like to move to Neo. Since the JVC produces a 720p 24fps, I was thinking Neo HDV would be the one for me, but upres'ing to 1080 would be really nice. So my question is, would going to Neo HD and spending an extra $250 on the software reallty give me that much more with the setup that I have? From what I can tell, I'm only getting 10bit and upconvert to 1080 with the Neo HD version over the Neo HDV. Thank you for any help. __________________ Heath Vinyard www.ghostlandmedia.com

December 17th, 2008, 02:47 PM	#6
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	I am in Orange county, Always looking for extra things to do, what do you have in mind __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

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December 16th, 2008, 07:46 PM	#3
Jay Bloomfield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 433	The main difference is that NEO HD will do 1920 x 1080 and NEO HDV will only do 1440 x 1080 (1.33 PAR). If you're not starting out with 1920 x 1080 on the camcorder, you're really paying a lot of extra cash for a small increase in quality via the 10 bit color. Just as an aside, since Cineform recently dropped Aspect HD, maybe it's time for them to consider dropping NEO HDV also and cutting the price on NEO HD. After all, NEO HDV was targetted at consumer HDV camcorders and many of those have been superseded by AVCHD units that record with some semblance of 1920 x 1080.

December 18th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#8
Jay Bloomfield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Voorheesville, NY Posts: 433	@Heath, Just a friendly suggestion. Edit your email address in your last post and replace the "@" with the word "at" or you will be opening yourself up for a spam surprise, when someone scavenges your email address. If it was me, I would delete the email address altogether and use a PM.

December 22nd, 2008, 01:32 AM	#9
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	Does cineform offer upgrade option for Neo HDV users to upgrade to Neo HD? I originally purchased Neo HDV for use with my HV30.. I plan on getting a 5D Mark II which has 1080P resolution so I would need Neo HD...

December 22nd, 2008, 04:47 PM	#10
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Hi Yang, Yes, CineForm offers an upgrade from Neo HDV to Neo HD at full value for Neo HDV. You can purchase this at our online store. NEO HD v3 (Windows Download)

January 1st, 2009, 02:56 PM	#11
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	WIll Neo Scene transcode 5DMK2 footage? I'm deciding on purchasing both HMC150 and 5D2. I current also shoot with HV30. What is the minimum Cineform product that will transcode video from all 3 cameras?

January 1st, 2009, 03:15 PM	#12
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Yang, Neo Scene will not transcode 5D2 footage. 5D2 footage is not AVCHD from a wrapper standpoint even though the underlying compression is AVCHD I-Frame. But Neo HD will convert 5D2 footage.