Thanks David :)

One more thing. Right now Cineform files are NOT optimized for CS4. They work, but very slowly as they use the Vfw (video for windows) interface.

Cineform will be releasing an updated version that will work better with CS4.

It should be comming out in about a week.

Neo Scene 1.1 and explorer
 

Some are have issues with explorer.exe not liking Neo Scene 1.1. If you are one of those users, please try this build :

http://www.miscdata.com/cineform/Neo...108a-Setup.zip

Let me know if that solves the crash with explorer.

P.S. If all is working, there nothing new here in this download, just a small change to the licensing software.

Yes that seems to have solved it, at least for me. Thanks for the quick work (on Sunday!)

Neo Scene and AE7 on a Mac Issue
 

I just purchased Neo Scene to work with my 5d Mark 2 files on my Mac Book Pro. The trouble I am having is when I go into After Effects 7 and try to use the files, I get no picture. I can import the files and play them. I hear the audio but the picture isn't there, just a blank screen of white.

I will upgrade to CS4 eventually but want to wait until CS4 is supported.

Any help would be really appreciated.

AE7 is not an Intel native application, you need at least AE CS3 for Intel support, required by any Intel based codec. CS4 is not yet support on the PC, but no issue on the Mac (we just use the QuickTime layer.)

You may need to disable some pixel formats in the preference pane. I ran into the same problem with iMovie on a Mac Book (non-pro).

Craig, AE7 is a PowerPC only application, within the Intel native implementation, Intel based codecs don't show up.

The new "b" version fixed the problem for me also.

Thank you for fixing it so fast.

Neo Scene - no audio
 

Without having changed any settings, whenever I try to convert AVCHD files via Neo Scene, there is no audio on the clip. Playing it back on Media Player, there is no sound, but if I import the clip into CS3 or PE7, there is just a continous machine-gun type sound...

Install the audio decoder from AC3Filter.net, and reconvert.

Dipping my toes in the water David.....Looking to download the trial shortly.

Are there any plans to convert the captured MTS stream to a separate audiom for ease of CPU cycles on the editing timeline?? When i see Cineform AVI's advertised on your website, i always assume that audio would be uncompressed within your AVI..

Can i assume that any audio decompressor built in to your codec, is as accurate and easy to handle as any Windows .WAV file?

Thnx..

The audio with a CineForm AVI is the same as a WAV file, it is uncompressed 16-bit stereo (typically.) We don't put compressed audio in our files.

Thank you David, did that and it all works again. Can't understand how the bit of software went missing though. It was strange, since on trying to play back the converted file in WMP, it took a while as it "aquired codec" and then ran without audio... just a Windows moment I guess!

Neo HDV access after Neo Scene installed?
 

I really had no complaints with Neo HDV before it was orphaned, but I took advantage of the upgrade offer to get Neo Scene. Now I can't access the Neo HDV version of HD Link which would handle several input formats that Neo Scene won't: .mov and .avi. This means that I can't use .mov footage from my Kodak Zi6 anymore. Is there any way to still access the Neo HDV version of HD Link after Neo Scene is installed? This upgrade is feeling a little bit like a downgrade right now.

you can have one or the other installed, but not both. NeoScene has fewer options than NeoHD

Not quite, if you install Neo Scene without uninstalling Neo HDV, they might coexist.

Neo Scene Newbie Struggling with PPRo CS3
 

I have a new Sony HDR-S11 and have purchased Neo Scene. I have some experience with PPRo CS3, but always in SD and this is my first adventure into editing and outputting HD. However I seem to be stymied every step of the way, almost like there's some lost "How to use PPro CS3 with Neo Scene" instruction manual that I haven't found.

Instead of writing everything that I have already tried (and I have tried ALOT of combinations!), I'm going to explain what I want to do. I am not a professional videographer and don't have strict requirements for my video quality. I'm editing home movies and my kid's school projects and plan on outputting to SD DVD and/or Blu Ray DVD. I have a decent Windows XP machine with a 3.0ghz Core2Duo, 8800 GTS, 2GB of RAM, plenty of hard drive space.

I have a bunch of AVCHD clips that I shot at 1440 x 1080 and have successfully used Neo Scene to convert them to .AVI files.

I want to edit this footage and output one big master Cineform .avi file.

Now I load up Premiere. What should my new project settings be? I see no presets for Cineform or Neo Scene.

After I have the above answer, I edit my footage and use Export Movie to create the master Cineform .avi file. What should my Export Movie settings be (including resolution, field order, and aspect ratio)? Should I use Adobe Media Encoder and if so, what settings should I use there?

Finally I've heard that some workaround needs to happen when I want to convert my Cineform AVIs to SD DVD. The instructions on the cineform site mention using the FIle Type dropdown box to find a Cineform preset.. which doesn't exist for me.

Thanks in advance for your help and patience with my questions.

Phil, The advice I had from David Newman:
"New project, custom settings, then select desktop mode. From here you can create any preset you like."

Set the frame size to whatever you have been shooting, ie, 1440 x 1080, 1.33 pixel sze, upper/ lower frame etc.

Don't worry that you see a red bar on the timeline, CS3 will still handle the clips without having to render them first...

Also, in the Program window, set the playback to Draft Quality. It will playback MUCH better in CS3

I am now having problems with Cineform playback on both Source and Program monitors, regardless of if I use Draft or Automatic quality.

If my project is created with 1440x1080 @ 1.33, upper field first, it's jumpy playback.

If my project is created with 1440x1080 @ 1.33, no fields (progressive), it plays back perfectly smooth.

As far as I can tell, my HDR-SR11 shoots 1080/60i video, upper field first. I would guess that if my project settings were set identical to the resolution, aspect ratio, and field order of my footage, CS3 wouldn't need to do any additional processing when it plays the video, thus is should be perfectly smooth. Unfortunately this doesn's seem to be the case. Any ideas?

Neo Scene and Dual-Booting Windows
 

I have the exact same version of Windows XP (from the same DVD) installed twice on my computer, just separate boot drives) and use the Windows Boot Manager to select which copy of Windows I boot to. I do this so that I can do quick projects on my "messy" Windows installation, and do longer/more involved projects on the "clean" system.

Can I install my recently purchased Neo Scene on both Windows drives? It's the same Windows, the same hardware, and both Neo Scene installations cannot be used simultaneously.

Julian

Just to confirm, version 110b108a-090215 appears to fix the problem, and I have closed the ticket.

Thank you.

Yes, that is allowed, if the second drive activation gives you any trouble, just send an email to support@cineform.com and tell what you are doing.

Premiere CS4 Neo Scene HDV SD downconvert
 

I am trying to downconvert a Cineform HDV to SD with Premiere CS4 (Media Encoder) with no success. The downconverted files are corrupt. If I use Vegas Pro 8c the downconvert works perfectly. I assume I have the Premiere Media encoder parameters set incorrectly, Neo Scene needs the importer or Neo Scene has a problem. Any help appreciated.

Additional inoformation:

When I play the Adobe encoded clip with the Window Media Player, the clip plays at the correct aspect ratio, DV aspect ratio (Squeezed WS image). The clip has to be interpreted to correct aspect ratio. When the clip is played with WMP the first few seconds play fine and then the image hangs for the remainder of the clip. If I load the same clip in Vegas, the clip loads fine and is displayed with the correct aspect ratio (DV aspect ratio (Squeezed WS image)). When I play the clip in Vegas, the first few seconds play fine then the thumbnails turn red and the video preview goes black. The only way to recover is to close Vegas. One more quirk. The same clip is displayed in DVWS aspect ratio in Adobe, not the correct aspect ratio (DV aspect ratio (squeezed WS image) , and the preview screen turns black after a few seconds. I believe there are more problems than just the wrong aspect ratio.

Try support. As Vegas and Premiere use the same component, if it works in Vegas and fails in Premirere, that is looking like a Premiere bug.

Second download for Neo Scene
 

David,

Let me start off by telling you that I have purchased Prospect HD and am patiantly waiting for the CS4 version. Neo Scene rocks with CS4 and I am sure we can expect the same in all other Cineform products.

I am working on a "Peru non-profit" project with CS4/Neo Scene. I will be leaving the country agian before I can convert all my files and finish the project. I was wondering if it was possible to download a second 7 day trail version in Neo Scene upon my return to complete the file conversion... if the Prospect HD CS4 has not been released. Or can I get an extension to help me out. Return date will be Feb. 27...maybe another product will be released by this date and I can download trial.
Suggestions?

Billy

We should have v4 out soon. If you need an extension now you will have to make your case with support as they do that, unforutnately Neo Scene is hard to extend on some systems (we don't know why.)

Neo Scene & After Effects CS4
 

Is the Neo Scene codec supposed to show up as AVI codec in the AE CS4 Export render options?

Thank you!

Under the Output Module, Video for Window Format, you will find the "CineForm HD Codec V4.7.x".

Thank you. :)

Neo Scene and Prospect 3
 

Can I install Neo Scene and Prospect 3 on the same system? I can't get HDLink to convert my AVCHD files (it crashes & tech support is working on it).

This fix is going into Prospect v4, as the fix for AVCHD require licensing components not available in PHD v3. v4 will be out in a few weeks.

So is the problem I am having because of the licensing issue? I do have COREAVC pro version 1.9 installed with Mediasplitter and HDLink crashes. Does an earlier version of COREAVC work?

No, you using CoreAVC that is a different component, not what we are licensing. CoreAVC works in 95% of systems, it seems like the 5% can't resolve some other system conflicts. One of the reason we are adding a AVC decoder to version 4, so we don't have these system conflicts, add we can features with fewer support issues.

Neo Scene and DVD Architect 5.0
 

I had tried NEO Scene a few times and it worked well so have bought and installed on my system. I now have a problem where DVD Architect will not create a Bluray and stops with message " external video renderer has stopped". If I then change project settings to SD DVD it will continue and start to encode the file for DVD creation. I have uninstalled first the AC3 filter( which I didn't seem to need for the trial but need to get audio for the purchased version) with no effect. Then uninstalled Neo Scene and all now works. I have contacted support but was interested to find if anyone else had this problem.
System is X48 DQ6 motherboard, Q9450, 8G RAM running Vista 64.

Ron Evans

Interesting. I didn't realize NeoScene was involved with this. The same thing happened to me, coincidentally right after I installed NeoScene to try it out. The solution is that if you install DVDA version 5.0 it will work again with NeoScene also installed. Either Sony or Cineform created an incompatibility with 64 bit Vista and DVDA 5.0a.

I will try again but I think I actually had DVD Architect 5.0 installed, then installed 5.0a to see if that would solve the problem , then unnistalled first the AC3 filter then Neoscene. Will start again when I have time.

Ron Evans