Aspect RT Filters
 

Hmmm, this is embarrassing, was asking for a levels type filter and just found exactly what I wanted in the color balance filter - don't know how I missed it last night, too late I guess.

Will further RT filters be added to Aspect HD over time?

Andrew

Yes there will be more over time. I'm glad you discovered Color Balance.

I've got to say the support / response Cineform provides in this forum is outstanding.

I've had a play with the Color Balance filter now.

Approaching this from the other end (the 'I wish' list), in the past I used the Premiere Levels filter a great deal, mostly the luminence input sliders (shadow clip, gamma, highlight clip), less often the same on an individual color channel.

Setting the R, G and B sliders equally away from zero for the three ranges (shadow, midtone, highlight) would appear to be equivalent to the levels filter (with presumably negative values being the equivalent to the 'output' sliders in levels) . Is that roughly right.

I would find single r=g=b sliders useful (and perhaps these would reduce the processing load when individual RGB adjustments are not necessary). Similarly, perhaps even more, I would find a gamma slider in the Color Corrector tool useful.

My RT previews with the Color Balance filter do not seem to be working particularly well.

If I apply say r+20, g+10, b=15 to the midtones then the static preview appears to show the changes. When I pay the timeline these changes disappear (so in my example the reddish tinge completely vanishes) and I also get very visible vertical luminence banding.

Also if I set Luma Preserve to anything other than 0, all the effects of the Color Balance filter disappear in the static preview (and no difference between any value between 1 and 100), however when I play the timeline, as before, I get vertical banding and I do not see the color adjustments made (nor any 'luminence only' color adjustments). I tested this by having the luma preserve start at 0, do a jump from 0-1 after a few seconds and then do a fairly rapid increase from 1-100 over the next few seconds. Playing the timeline I saw no sign of change at all (but plenty of vertical banding).

This is with a single layer of video using P4, 3 GHz.

Andrew

Andrew there is a fix for the the real-time playback of Color Balance (it was broken in one of the downloads -- it worked in the earlier releases.) It will be fixed (again) in Aspect HD 3.1 (another free upgrade) which shouldn't be too far off. If you urgently need the fixed color balance, file a trouble ticket with message "May I please have the latest Color Balance -- David said it was OK." -- we do our best to email it to you.

Thanks again David, for the time being I can wait - it's good to hear its a bug that will be fixed rather than something wrong with my system.

Gamma adjustment either on it's own or in Color Corrector would be very useful :-)

Andrew

Aspect HD licensing terms?
 

Let's say I buy the Premiere Pro/Aspect HD suite for one computer and have another copy of Premiere Pro installed on a second system: can I install Aspect HD on the second system (from the first set of install discs) and have two full HDV editing setups without violating the Cineform licensing agreement? Or do I have to buy an Aspect HD license for each computer I run it on?

P.S. I just realized this post should have been in the Cineform forum. Maybe someone can move it there?

Aspect will allow PPro to render faster than plug in?
 

Let's say I just do some color and few effects. Will using the Aspect plug in allow my footage to render faster than if I just use the plug in inside of PPro 1.5?

I would do the test myself but I downloaded the Aspect trial long ago and it is expired.

Rendering out to a file is not accelerated by Aspect HD. Aspect HD does have real-time color correction, which means you only have to render for exports, saving a lot of time, yet the export time will be approximately the same.

P.S. Whenever there is a significant new version of Aspect HD we allow another 15-day trail. If you last tested Aspect HD 2.x, AHD 3.0 will give you another trial peroid.

AspectHD Filter Request - Curves
 

I just thought I'd put down something I'd be interested in...

My prefered filter for colour adjustment in both AE and PPro is the Curves filter. All of the AspectHD filters are phenomenally real-time - and I'd love to have an AHD Curves filter to exploit as well. No idea how feasible it is, but I suspect it would be a worthwhile addition.

-Steve

That is on the list. A real-time curves would be nice, there is nothing that technically that would prevent this from happening.

Awesome.

-Steve

Audio Problems in Aspect HD 3.1
 

Just downloaded the trial version of Aspect HD 3.1. I tried to edit my first video using it but I'm having problems with the audio.

I used HD link to capture and then converted to Cineform AVI. The audio sounds completely distorted when I import the converted files into premiere 1.5.1.

The footage was shot with a Sony FX1 PAL at 50i

Anyway, I ended up importing, editing and rendering as .m2t using MPEG PRO HD 1.06 and it sounded perfectly clear. Just the whole editing process was kinda slow.

Any ideas as to what may be the problem I am having with Aspect ?

You should file a trouble tricket to see whether support can help you. There no known issues with audio capture -- i.e. it should be working fine. Why didn't you us the Aspect HD capture within Premiere, HDLink is the old tool and it is rarely necessary for capture. Open up an Aspect HD preset within Premiere Pro and pres F5 to bring up the capture window. Capture capturing again using Aspect HD. If the audio issue persists, tech support should have a solution for you. You will want to use Aspect HD over MPEG editing.

David, thanks for the fast response.

I will try capturing within premiere and see if that solves the problem.

If not, I will file a trouble ticket, as you recommended.

The reason why I captured using HD link is because I wanted to have both files, M2T/AVI. Then edit one movie using .m2t and the other with the AVI to compare experiences/results.

Aspect HD 3.2/Premiere Pro 1.5.1 and CU-HV1
 

Hello David,

Differently from the official JVC Corporate opinion that the small deck will not be able to handle 24P from the HD-100, our friend Barry Green found out that he was able to capture 720 24P footage from the HD-1 into Vegas 5, not even 6...!!! So, I am almost certain that, as I mentioned JVC before, a simple firmware is all what is needed to update the CU-VH1.

The question is: would my Aspect HD 3.2/Premiere Pro 1.5.1 combo be capable of the same capturing/editing using the equipment mentined? Barry said that the LCD displays an error, but, even showing it, he was able to see and capture the footage from an HD-100 at 24P out of the firewire!

Thanks,

Luis Otero

I expect that the CU-VH1 will be able to play ProHD 24p to Aspect HD, although like Barry found the screen on the JVC unit will not show any picture. I haven't try this myself.

Rsult of tests
 

I tried to export to tape from Premiere to the deck and it does not work. However, doing it (in and out of the machine) using HD Link is very simple and 100% accurate. Any possible rason why it does not work from Premiere? This would simplify the workflow a lot since no encoding to m2t to use the HD Link will be bypassed.

Luis

It is always best to use HDLink for export. You aren't saving any time using Premiere's built in export. Aspect HD comes with the "CineForm M2T" export movie option, use this as is has more options and more quality, then take the resulting file in HDLink for export. HOWEVER, for the 24p ProHD format we don't yet have that export mode, only 30p. Aspect currently supports input at 24p and 30p, and we will add 24 ProHD export soon.

Aspect with non-HT dual-core Intel
 

Hi David,

Are the Intel dual-core 830 processors adequate to edit in Premiere with Aspect? The price on these processor is good, but I know that they are not Hyper-Threaded -- Will this impact the ability to edit with Aspect, or do compositing FX within After Effects? Or will the fact that there are two processor cores offset the fact that they are not Hyper-Threaded?

Sincerely,

Geoff Murillo

It will very much offset the lack of hyperthreading. These are GREAT CPUs for Aspect HD, you will get excellent real-time performance. We need to upgrade our website to recommend any of the dual core offerings.

Thanks.

-Geoff

Aspect HD does not detect FX1
 

Hi all.

I downloaded the latest version of AspectHD and installed it with Premiere Pro 1.5.1. However, when I try to capture, it is indicated that the capture device is offline. It does not detect the HDR-FX1.

The device manager indicates that the AVC subunit is not installed properly (exclamation point).

What may I do to remedy this problem? Thanks all.

Windows SP2
3.2 Intel P4
Asus P5P800
1 gig ram

Make sure your settings are according to this link, see if that might be the problem.

http://supportcenteronline.com/ics/s...asp?deptID=614


Mike

Thanks, I figured it out.

Had to install a sony dvhs driver.

3 Questions
 

Hi Cineform guys et all

1. Do I need premiere pro update 1.5.1 to install aspect HD?
2. Why should i buy aspect HD?
3. What spec of PC including graphics card and chipset(amd or pentium) would you recommend?

Kindest Rgds

Yas

1) PPro 1.5.1 contains some MPEG component updates that assist in exporting to HDV tape. If your projects are going back to HDV tape, PPro 1.5 will work fine, even PPro 1.0 can used with similar restrictions.

2) There are so many reasons. Quality, speed, support and large community of professional already using it. There are tool in the CineForm products that are not available is any other NLE solution.

3) Required systems are listed here: http://www.cineform.com/products/AspectHDPPro.htm. But that info doesn't reflect the new dual-core solutions which are excellent for Aspect HD. I have used Pentium D systems and amazed at the performance running Aspect HD. I haven't used an Althon X2 yet but I hear similar positive feedback from end-users.

Why Cineform Works for Me
 

After two months of research we settled on Cineform (two weeks ago).

We're still making some changes to our system (we're trying a different motherboard), but I did get to do some editing for one evening. I was amazed by how responsive and stable the system was.

The realtime effects work as promised.

With the price you can get the adobe video collection AND Aspect HD, it is a no-brainer. It's relatively close to the price of the adobe collection alone.

The Cineform codec for HDV is by far superior than the plugin Adobe offers (I've tried both).

We built a very fast editing system for under 2k. When we finish it I will post specs to the forum.

This is the fourth editing system I've put together in the last 8 years of production, and I'm very excited about it.

I will no longer tell people: "My system can do anything that a $100,000 avid system can do--it just might take a little longer."

Now I will tell them that my system is better AND faster.

This question has been discussed previously. Here are a couple threads to check:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52804

This one has a lot of un-needed stuff in it so I copied some relevant parts below:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...2hdv+plugin%22

It is more than just a codec. The codec is part of Premiere Pro 1.5.1

It is the acceleration and fancy realtime effects that are worth the money. Worth every penny. If we had to do without Cineform in the market, we would still be waiting for Vegas and Premiere Pro to have a solution. Although you can buy the MainConcept solution for less money, you know?

But Aspect HD 3.0 is far superior to the other solutions, and if it costs money then you have to either justify it, or do without.

As some people say, there is no gravity, the earth sucks.

Remember what it cost befor Premiere Pro 1.5.1 was announced? $999

So you are getting a HUGE discount now.
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Paul, to me the value of Aspect HD for PPro 151 is in the following:

1. I can edit HDV in real time on my *existing* hardware, today.

2. I get huge savings in hard drive storage requirements, as AHD avi's are only about twice the size of the original m2t's (at Medium Size seting), while image quality afforded by AHD codec is still OK. And I'm picky on quality.

So as always, you can get any 2 of speed, price, quality. AHD gives you speed and quality.

If you want price and quality, simply transcode your m2t's into uncompressed AVI's; then make a low-res offline copy of them; edit offline footage; then replace it with the high-res AVI's. You'll lose a lot of time and HDD storage, but will win on price - no AHD required.

I also think that AHD is a bit overpriced at $500; I'd figure $300 is more reasonable for what it does. But, since AHD is the only game in Wintel town, they can sell it at whatever the market allows.

Bottom line: I bought Aspect HD at $500 for a commercial project, and it was 100% worth it for me.

As for you, "pick any 2 of Speed, Price, or Quality" rule always applies - so it's your decision.
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Aspect HD with Vegas + PPro?
 

Hi everyone, my question is - will Aspect work with Vegas and PPro, or do you need the connect HD to work with Vegas?

Seems like most people on the Cineform thread are PPro users, any input on the pro/con of each? I just got a Sony HC-1 so I need HDV capability. Using the Demo version of PPro vs Vegas, in my limited time with them, they each have pro/cons. However, the reviews seem to favor Vegas. I assume they had the full version and were able to dive deeper into them then I have. Making an AVI file with each and importing to Premiere Elements - so I can burn a DVD -It seems Vegas puts out a richer color pallette, but if I was using the cineform codec, maybe this would not happen.
Also I've heard rumor of a new version of PPro - anyone else? If I buy the Adobe Video Collection, and there is a new version in a few months, is Adobe pretty reasonable on the upgrade, or will it cost big $$. Thanks, PK

Aspect in Vegas
 

I believe I saw in one of the threads that Cineform, if you have Aspect, also gives you Connect. (I believe the question there was if I upgrade to Aspect from Connect, will I get a credit. ) The Cineform people at that point seemed to indicate you would'nt pay for both. But connect does offer a separate funtionality for capture so I may be wrong...

Chris Barcellos

Every feature of Connect HD is within Aspect HD, so if you are using PPro and Vegas on the one PC, one installation of Aspect will do the trick.

Yes you can upgrade Connect HD to Aspect HD, here is the FAQ : http://www.cineform.com/products/FAQ.htm#Other3

Thanks Chris and David
 

Thanks for the info. Thats good news! Do you guys use PPro or Vegas? Any advantages/dis-advantages to either for working with HDV? Thanks Again - PK

Aspect 4, Cineform and HVX200
 

I saw on the Cineform site, there is somewhat cryptic note that Aspect 4 will support the HVX but "no details at this time".

For those of on HVX200 order lists and PC users not nuts about spending huges $$$ on cross platfrom upgrades, the delay in HVX shipments is relief.

I'm currently using Vegas 6 but not optimistic that Sony is going to let them full-out support DVCPro-HD and P2.

Can you say at least when the details will be announced? And is "support" = full support (P2, MXF, Metadata, 1080p @ 24fps, Variable frame rates?).

Thanks for any crumbs you can throw my way...

Aspect HD v4 now live
 

My esteemed colleague David Newman is out of Internet access for about 48 hours, so I thought I'd jump in and tell you that AHD v4 is now live.

Sorry for the 24 hour delay - Michael, I hope you got some sleep last night! :-)

The Other David.

Thanks David, just tried a few things, importing old projects for one, worked perfectly so far, right now I am exporting a sequence from the timeline to compare with the same export I made earlier today, it appears to be taking a bit longer than before, although that may be an Adobe thing, conforming was actually a lot faster on PPro2, will post as I go, Thanks for getting that up!


Mike

2 things about Aspect 4.0 I noticed
 

The audio problem is back with the lag my exported video is 4minutes 10 seconds and 20 frames long, the project is 4min 7 sec 6 frames long, 3 second difference. and now you get the "green" screen if you use a premiere "Black video" by itself on a track, before you needed to put black video in an empty portion of a track that was rendering the work area or you would get green screen in that section.


Mike

It sure is nice being able to edit HDV properly again.

And I tried it in After Effects - no problem there at all.

I think David Newman deserves a day off, but two? Hmmm. :-)

Aspect HD & Adobe Prodcution Studio Bundles
 

Aspect HD version 4.0 is now available with support for both Adobe
Premiere Pro 2.0 and Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5.1. Although Premiere Pro 2
now supports editing of "native" HDV transport streams, Adobe and CineForm
remain strong business partners because Aspect HD offers substantial
workflow and feature advantages beyond those available in Premiere Pro
2.0.

Aspect HD literally quadruples the performance of Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0
and Premiere Pro 1.5.1 to offer real-time editing of multiple HDV streams
on affordable desktop PCs.

We have put together some amazing deals that include CineForm Aspect HD
and the new Adobe Production Bundles. For those just looking to upgrade
Premiere, we offer Premiere Pro 2 upgrade bundles with CineForm Aspect HD
for just $599.95!! If you are looking to purchase, or upgrade, to the
Adobe Production Studio Standard or Professional we are including both
PopDrops vol 1 and Shuttle Xpress – a $150 value – for FREE as part of our
CineForm Aspect HD / Adobe Production Studio bundles! To learn more or to
order go to http://www.videoguys.com/cineform.html

Gary

Aspect 4.0 and sync problem
 

Hello

I have footages recorded by Firestore FS4 HD to m2t format.
On m2t files audio sync works but after converting to CF AVI sync is
gone... Any idea, is it v. 4.0 or what.

m2t format is 720P25 (JVC GY-HD101E PAL)

Jari

Aspect and CF 30 any tips?
 

I like the look of cf 30, some jitter, anyone have a great workflow for this? help get rid of some jitter? capture settings, any ideas? We are doing a concert shoot for a Habitat for humanity fundraiser, I have solicited the help of many local videographers who own the FX1 ( we will have around eight cameras going) We also are doing a live recording of the band (thanks to Dan Humann (Stanley Clarks audio genius) anyway I really want to get the most out of the shoot, any tips?


Thanks
Mike

Michael

I use Cine 30 all the time. Capture with AspectHD, as progressive, medium file size. Treat it as progressive from then on. When you render it out, render it as progressive.

Shakey footage. The only way I know how to fix that is not have it shakey in the first place. Lock the cameras down on tripods or mono pods. John Rofano (VASST) has posted a link to some software he uses, but I have yet to try it, but know whatever you do in post to correct handheld footage will affect the resolution.