aspect problem
 

Ok I think there is an aspect problem when you use CF.avi and change the resoultion like 720x480 wide NTSC. it is falling short in width it does not fill the render box. And when I open the short clip after converting, Even media player it plays 4:3 squeesed so even media player is seeing it as if it was not wide screen, Look closly at the render box and notice the black bars at the side. I think it is an aspect problem.

Dave can you comment on the possibilities..

I have the CS4 suite, but it's only on one computer running Vista x64 Ultimate with 4GB RAM. It runs fine. The only thing that I noticed was that AE CS4 sometimes doesn't recognize the Open GL card properly, but I never use OGL anyway. I used to have one computer with XP64 in a double boot with 32 bit XP. but I deleted the XP 64 OS partition, so unfortunately, I can't help you there. You could get bold and download the CS4 demo from the Adobe website and see how it runs. The demo is missing a few codecs, but it should give you some idea of why Adobe doesn't support CS4 on XP 64 bit.

If you Google "CS4 XP 64" you will find a lot of items, mostly discouraging. At this point, if you want to go with CS4, you probably should either wait for Windows 7 or upgrade to Vista x64. And my advice is pack the computer with as much RAM as it will hold.

Download down? And CS3 Problems
 

I'm using CS3, Vista 64-bit. I've had problems with importing CF avi files or opening CF projects in Premiere.

I'm uninstalled and reinstalled a number of times, this last time because I thought I was overlooking some cineform files somewhere that were messing up the new install. While I was at it, I thought I would re-download the Prospect HD file (just in case). But it doesn't seem to be downloading. I've only managed to download ~3.5 MB's worth of the zip file. Neo HD downloaded fine.

Also, regarding the screen grabs from earlier showing the importer and exporter files in the MediaCore folder: does that just apply to CS4? What should the MediaCore folder look like in CS3? I know I only had one file (im-CFHD_File_Import.prm) in there after installing Prospect HD.

Other system specs: Quad Core (Q6600), 6GB RAM, Nvidia Quadro FX 1700

OK, it seems to be downloading now. We'll see how the install goes.

First Light looks like it is working, though all I have tried is loading a file and tweaking the settings.

I'm still running into the same problems with Premiere CS3: I can't open old CF projects, and while I can create new CF projects, I cannot import CF files.

First Light is working. However, it would be great to have a manual. I really do not know what I am doing. I have been able to make color corrections and then see the resluts in P-Pro CS4.

Ok, giving build 208 a try.

Machine specs:
i7 920 (stock)
12GB RAM
nVidia 9600GT 2GB,
RAID0 for converted video.
Samsung 2343BX Monitor (2048x1152)
Vista 64

First Light opens (yay!).
The video display area seems to be proportionally constrained. If I maximize, the scrub controls disappear off the bottom of the screen, and the video window overlays other parts of the application (looks like it's floating in front of the app).

Keyframes sure would be nice!!! Either that or a lighting tech that won't change lighting in the middle of a dance...

It seems like a very useful tool. I don't generally need to color correct a whole lot, and this seems like it'll give me the option to do minor tweaks to the overall levels and color, and save me a bunch of time or rear-end rendering. Hopefully.

There's no audio (should there be?).

Again, keyframes would be nice, but I usually don't have footage like what I'm running through right now.

The timecode display does not update as I'm scrubbing or playing.

I don't think I'm seeing all the nifty things that were on David Newman's interview video from NAB. Is there a difference between PHD and P4K versions of First Light? It would be nice to see an actual curves graph that I could manipulate.

I'm not seeing a way inside of Premiere Pro to enable/disable the First Light database. Do I just rename the database and/or project file where the video clip is?

That's about it for now. Have to work on my travesty of a Web site, but initial impressions on this build are pretty good.

Thanks,
Matt

Yep, this happens to me also.

I think that David Newman posted previously that this build has no audio.

I haven't seen that yet.

Here's a shorter version of a few that are online, but it covers what FL does succinctly.

NAB09 Cineform reveals real time color corrector! | Filmmaking Central - The Process of Filmmaking

There is more info re: First Light, on the Cineform website:

Cineform Tech Blog Blog Archive Active Metadata - Technolgy Overview

First Light
 

Ok I recaptured 1440x1080 60i footage but when capturing converted to 1920x1080 first light worked only at full resoultion setting crashed when trying to set to half or quater.

Video was slow motion.. I am using a ati radeon 3400 series HD card I had good picture but like I said it was like watching slow motion.

I can not get a CF file thru PPcs4 compressed to DVD (SD) or blu-ray.. Another note when encoding with media encoder CPU runs 100% maxed out.

Dave did you say the accelerator in not in the beta version?

ImporterProcessServer.exe error:
 

Hello,

Not sure if I should do a support ticket or just mention the error here.

I installed the latest beta for Prospect HD yesterday.

My setup is:
Vista Business 64-bit
12GB
2 Xeon Quad Cores
Nvidia Quadro NVS 295
Premiere Pro CS4
After Effects CS4

I am getting the importerprocessserver.exe error via Adobe Media Encoder.

Using the settings 720p for window media player.

Any ideas?

The previous beta version worked fine with exporting. The latest has given me the error attached.

I uninstalled the latest version of Prospect HD and reinstalled the previous beta version but that does not work anymore either. I am getting the same error when I export.

Any way to remove all files of cineform and reinstall the beta version that worked for me?

Simon

I've been testing quite a bit, and have successfully converted a number of files to CineForm, adjusted them in FirstLight, and put them into a PPro CS4 project. However, I am seeing the following issues:

- Import Process Server crashes. Happens in PPro, AME, etc.
- Cannot open a project that contains After Effects linked clips, causes AE crash. AE does open standalone.

Here's a crash report from Import Process Server:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: ImporterProcessServer.exe
Application Version: 0.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 491896d7
Fault Module Name: CFHDDecoder.dll
Fault Module Version: 2.5.0.30
Fault Module Timestamp: 49ffb07d
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 0000d7ca
OS Version: 6.1.7100.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789


I'm not seeing the FL bugs mentioned above (video scaling, timeline scrubbing, etc.).

On question: should Snapshots contain all of the settings (e.g., white balance, color matrix, etc.)? When I save a Snapshot then try to apply it to another file, these settings aren't changing.

Regards,
Glenn

I think you're missing the philosophy behind color grading in the metadata space. Keyframes are not pragmatic for this application. CCing in the metadata space is for overall "look", not tweaking individual scenes.

It seems to me that cs4 is choking on cf files. The main thing I see is we can not use the cineform presets because there are not present? And I am back to the acceleator is that not present either?
Does anyone have an thought a out this? Dave

Did I miss something?

.net framework 3.5 should be installed?

I need to check if I have the latest.

Thanks,

Simon

I am getting the exact same error. I also get it after a few scrubs on the timeline.

XP SP3
Nvidia 8800 GTS
Quad Core CPU 2.83GHz
3.50 GB ram
Intel Matrix Raid 0

Seems there a lot of Import Process Server crashes, including my system. Does anyone have any further info on a possible cause?

I have been asking the same question and no response? I am installing an drivers side airbag my face in beginning to hurt

I noticed your post Bruce. I had a go at Adobe support yesterday but got a 'It's not us, it's you' response and then silence which didn't help me of course. I'm waiting for David to chime in with a possible update.

One tip which may help others in this forum with jittery playback in CS4 off an Nvidia card, is that the current beta driver 185.81 seems to have corrected this for me. I have an 8800GTS and the beta driver fixed playback on reboot. Curiously, it also repaired issues with the Nvidia PhysX config not being recognised in CS4.

Off topic, but thought I'd mention it for the good of all.

HDlink.exe following the PHD 4.0 beta release states version 4.0.1. (1428 kb ). Can someone confirm that this is correct ?

Hello all,

Thought I would jump in with a two questions. I have a laptop running regular vista. I have both CS3 and CS4 production priemuim suite installed. I also have Prospect HD 3.4 installed. I am really trying to only use Premiere Pro CS4 as much as possible. Right now I am able to import my old cineform HDV files that I originally captured with Premiere pro CS3 and Prospect HD 3.4 and import them into Premiere Pro CS4. I have not installed the new beta of Prospect HD 4.0 yet.

My questions are:

When is the non-beta version of Prospect 4.0 going to be available?
When it becomes available and I install it on my laptop will it install correctly on both CS3 and CS4, or will it by default only install to either CS3 or CS4? If so will I be able to manually find the importer files and drop them into CS4 or CS3 so it works in both?

Thanks,

Mark

I think that the answer to your question is either earlier in this thread or in some other recent thread. CS4 only has the CFHD import and export functions. It has no acceleration yet, nor does it come with the Cineform presets. Cineform is working on those features, but they are presently not included in the beta build (208) that is being publicly tested. Prospect HD/4K V4 does have all the functions implemented for Premiere Pro CS3.

I'm taking a wild guess here that when Adobe releases the PP CS4 4.1 update, later this month, Cineform will release the full blown version of Prospect for CS4.

I hope that you meant the CS4 Open GL bug, because PhysX (3D particle physics) might be a little crazy for video work. :-)

thanks Jay,
I guess at this point the only thing that can be tested is first light? Because I suspect CS4 can't handle the Cineform files without the acceleration! Importert server keeps crashing. And CPU runs solid 100 percent!

Jay not get off topic where did you read about adobe 4.1 release this month? I getting ready to send it back to refund?

Right from the horse's, uhh ... mouth:

Adobe - Adobe Press Room: For immediate release

As to beta testing in Premiere Pro CS4, I would think that Cineform still needs everyone's input on how well importing and rendering CFHD files is working for them. I've only encountered one Import Process Server crash and that was on the previous beta build. Rendering to CFHD works fine for me in CS4.

Indeed, you're right Jay, I mean't OpenGL. :o)

You're referring to a performance hit when engaging PhysX I take it?

Jay,
I've had problems with PHD 4 for both import and rendering in CS4
1) Import of HDLink converted EX1 footage: Video previews O.K., but audio track will not import properly
2) Rendering: If I render a CFHD clip from the timeline, the resulting preview image is distorted and squeezed down to the lower third of the frame in the Program monitor.
Raw mp4 and avchd play and render normally in CS4, only a CF issue, and only with EX1 sourced CFHD footage.
I don't know if it's a problem with CS4, PHD4, or if they are just not getting along with each other.

I also get squashing of the preview in CS4 but using HDV footage.

Import Server crash
 

Ok I think I am on to something. I posted earlier the we you go to export/media and the encoder opens and you set your settings to Cineform.avi 720x480 NTSC wide the output preivew does not fit the width and it should 480 is divisiable by 9 evenly.

So I did the following:
selected Cineform.avi
unlock pixel res. set to 720x490!!!!!!! it fit the output preivew!
set NTCS/wide
set quality to medium
set lowerthirds..

NO CRASHES!!!! File outputs fine and CPU runs about 50 to 70% not maxed out!! Can someone else try this to see if it works for them?? It did not matter if I was using old CF files or new ones!!!
No getting it thru Encore is a different story because when you bring it in to there it wants to screw the width up again and show that the video does not want to fit the width again.

Sorry 490 not divisable by 9 trying 495

I get the same squashing. I thought maybe it was something in CS4, but I haven't explored it yet.

Thanks,
Matt

Is anyone running XP/64 with CS4? and PHD 4.0? and having any sucess? Also if XP/64 is running are you getting the advertised speed with that like Adobe says you are supposed to be getting with vista/64?

Still trying
 

Ok I converted captured CF clips 1440x1080 60i 30fps to 1920x1080 deinterlaced same frame rate. I created a HDV 1080p project. I dropped all the clips into the project about 40min worth.

I set export/media low quality Ntsc wide/ 720x480 still not filling the width!!! and fiel progressive. It exported took 6 hours but it exported.

Imported to Encore and went to transcode and crash. I I created a new project in PPCS4 DV 720x480 30fps. then I ued the dynamic link to take to Encore and it transcoded the project. Thats what I have so far!

Bruce,

I'm running Premiere Pro CS4 with the latest Prospect HD 4.0 Beta on Vista-64 i7 processor with 12 Gig of Ram. Aside from no real time Cineform effects it works fine. I have not put it through extensive testing yet. However, there is no doubt that renders a considerably faster. I do a lot less waiting around for rendering these days.

Tim

Hi Tim can you share your setting you are using from cf capture,to new project settings in pp to your output settings when you output to media.

I posted a PDF file a few posts back, are you seeing any loss I. Width when scaling down to 720x480

Bruce,

I will run some tests and then post the results.

Tim

I am running CS4 on Vista 64 with a 3.2 GHZ Intel Quad and 8GB RAM. I can honestly say that the I don't see much difference between running CS4 in XP 32bit and Vista 64bit. Yes, I have more RAM accesible and can run multiple programs a little easier, but it did not decrease my render times at all. And to be clear, my render times had increased when moving from Cs3 to CS4 in WIndows XP 32bit. I was frustrated out the wazoo by this as it was not a little increase. I was seeing double and triple render times on HDV 1080 24P mpg renders.

I then read all the hype of Adobe 64bit optimization and went out and bought Vista 64 and additional 4 gigs of RAM, setup a dual boot system and spent the weekend doing a clean install of Vista 64bit and CS3 and CS4 Suites, only to get the same results. However, now when Premiere CS4 takes up near 3.5 gigs RAM with a single 30minute HDV clip on the timeline, I can breathe a sigh of relief as I still have 4.5gb free. In XP, CS4 was killing my resources.

To be fair, I really like Vista 64 in most ways. It is snappy and fast and feels so much more polished. In some ways Premiere has been a little more stable too. But it did not really increase render times at all....which was my biggest concern.

Tim,
Just out of curiosity, have you compared CS3 render times to CS4? I know you say your render times are much quicker, but I am wondering what your reference is. Because to me CS4 is much slower than CS3 when it comes to rendering. also, did you ever try CS4 in XP so you have a good comparison to make with the 64bit OS. and finally, if you upgraded to CS4 and Vista 64 and all hardware at the same time, it would be hard to tell what exactly was giving you improved performance. Did you run the same hardware in XP first and then upgrade?

Sorry to hijack this thread. Perhaps we can take this conversation to a new thread if we need to.

Marty

Bruce,

The test clip that I used was shot with a Canon XL H1 and captured via HD-link approximately one year ago.

Video Clip Properties
1440x1080
23.976fps
Aspect Ratio: 1.3333
Cineform: AVI
Pixel depth 32

Since there are no Cineform presets (YET) with Prospect HD-4.0, I created a HD project using the following P-Pro CS-4 preset:

HDV 1080p24


When I placed a segment of video into the timeline I get the yellow bar status above the clip. The clip appears to playback fine. There is no skipping or bumpy playback. The only way to remove the yellow bar status is to apply an effect and render or to apply the 32 bit cineform force render. For this test I just left the clip in the yellow bar status.

I exported a short segment in the timeline using the following settings:

Format: Cineform AVI file
Preset: Custom
Encoding Quality: High Quality
GOP length: I-Frames only
Video Width: 720
Video Height: 480
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Widescreen 16x9
Frame Rate: 23.976
Field Type: Progressive

RESULTS:

The Frame rate converts to 29.97. Everything else looks fine. I cannot get it to use the project frame rate of 23.976

Can you post your settings. I'll try to duplicate.

Tim

I use to run CS3 on XP-PRO 32bit with 2gig of ram. I work with a lot of video that is shot in the dark, Therefore I use noise filter effects + do a lot of color correction. Renders that took 3 to 4 minutes now take 30 seconds. I wish that I could do side by side comparisons. Unfortunately I cannot. I used parts from my old machine on the new one.

I'm not sure how much the i7 processor contributes to the speed. But, I've noticed that a lot more ram gets used. I also can multitask to my hearts content while editing.

I'm assuming that you are using CS4 4.0.1 ?

All I can say is that CS4 on my Vista-64 bit machine is considerably faster.