New Peak Files Every Time
 

Each time I open a Premiere CS5 project it generates new peak files, even though it generated them the last time the project was opened. This appears to only happen with Cineform files.

When I look in the folder where the peak files are stored I see a new version of the file for each instance I have opened the project, for example:
filename.pek
filename_1.pek
filename_2.pek
filename_3.pek

This is only happening with Cineform converted files. I have tried it with files converted from a Canon 7D (h.264 files) and XH A1 (m2t files). The original un-converted files don't have the problem (peak files are only generated one time). I am using Neo 4k, although it happens with Cineform files I generated from Prospect HD also.

Any ideas how to fix this?

Thanks, Lloyd

I see this too, but it's not *all* my cineform files just some of them. It does make me wonder whether some of the issues i've been seeing are sound related.

i've noticed in PPro that AIF files are not as robust as WAV. With AIF i see it using the wrong parts of a sound file sometimes, so far this hasn't happened in WAV

cheers
paul

New .pek files...
 

I have noticed this on my latest project, and I am still on CS4 and ProspectHD. Since it is just a few at a time, I suspect these are for files that on the previous session I dropped audio tools on like hipass and lowpass, in which case it would be understandable.

I'm seeing this too, again just with some CFHD files (but quite a few of them). This is with a fresh 720P60 project started in CS5, using avis from an HMC40 converted using Neo4K.

regenerating pek files
 

Yes, I have that problem to. It seems related to HD link converted files. I suspect it is a bug of the latest updated HD link.
I am waiting on answers from cineform.

Yes, come to think of it i think the files re-peaking are ones i've transcoded again with the new HD Link, so that could well be the culprit

cheers
paul

regenerating pek files
 

Just got an email from cineform as follows;

David Newman knows about it and has been in contact with adobe. Adobe says this happens when the modified date of the avi files changes. The problem is, that Premiere is the culprit in changing this date! So David is trying to figure out what to do about it.

If PPro is the culprit why only some cineform files and not all of them (and non cineform)? I imagine perhaps cineform is updating the meta information in their files, causing the reload? Guessing here though...

cheers
paul

While I said that internally and neeeded to confirm, it wasn't to go out -- we do not modify the files, yet Premiere has in the past for their metadata.

Paul,
We do not modify the files for metadata, that happens external to the AVI or MOV wrapped data.

It's definitely a Premiere issue. I've had this problem since CS3 and now with CS4. It seems to always happen if the external drive with the project is moved from machine A to machine B. Even if the drive letter is constant. Very annoying.

I have the same issue with CS5, worked with adobe for 2 weeks and tried every solution they threw at me. I still have just a few of the same files that keep regenerating within a project, I have no ideas whats causing this with just certain files, I only use cineform files so I can't compare. Actually thinking about it - it's only recent files encoded within the last month via HDlink, not sure if it's all files or just a few of the recent files.

regenerating pek files
 

With the new update 5.04 problem is solved. Just import your 5.03 converted files in a new project and..done
No regenerating files anymore.
Thank you Cineform for this quick fix !!

Regards Hans

Hans,

I've updated and still get peak files generated each time I open the project. Is there anything else that you might have done besides the update?

Thanks,
Lloyd

Hi Lloyd,
Delete al the pek and other media cache files, including all other reference junk of your previous project also in the user application data/roaming/adobe and common map. Start a new project and import the AVI files in the new project. For your new project store the media files in the same project map as the project. You can do this by opening preferences and than check media. This was my approach and hope this will help you to.
Rgrds Hans

Hans,
I appologize for the elementary questions, but I just updated to w7 from xp.

Am I correct in saying that

1. Create a main project file for audio, premiere project, video etc.
2. In the Premier Project file (where I originally set the path for the project when it opens) I go to Edit Preverences - Media and
3. Change the location of the Media Casche Files and the Media Cache Data base to the Premiere Project file so these files are all together with the Project file.

4. Then when I update to Cineform 5.04, the Peak files won't be regenerated each time I open the project?

By the way I'm using CS5 here.

Thanks in advance,
John Rich

regenerating pek files
 

Yes, but first update to 5.04
Good luck

regenerating pek files
 

John,
Yes, thats it but one remark first update to 5.04. I have the same programs as you have. Good luck
rgrds
Hans

Premiere still generates new peak files every time I open it even thoough I updated to NeoHD 5.04 and moved the cache and media cache files. New project.

I suppose it could be I'm importing the same files I converted with the previous version of Cineform and they may be the problem. Anyway, I guess I'll have to convert some with the 5.04 version of HDLink and see what happens.
John

I'm still having the problem also. Since Cineform has not said that the new version fixed this problem and that it is an Adobe problem, I don't expect that this update fix it. Although I would love to know what it is that causes the problems and why some people have been apparently fixed by the update.

regenerating pek files
 

Before starting a new project you have to delete all other old files, pek and mcdb files in your project map including your project file. (the best is using a new name)
In addition delete the reference files in the c:/ user /local /appdata/roaming/ adobe/ priemiere pro/5.0/metadata cache and all that other date in this map.
I have not converted the AVI files from 5.03 with 5.04.
Don t forget to let windows show you the hidden files so you can find those files.

Hans, where did you get that info from?

I have here a fresh install of Win 7 64-bit with CF Neo 4K 5.0.4 and CS5.

CF video files were created using SI-2K that produces CineformRAW; as well as HDlink-converted Canon 7D files.

According to your info, my setup should be trouble-free - but unfortunately this is not the case.

PPro still creates audio peaks every times it opens the project.

Extremely annoying. Hope this glitch will be fixed soon.

Alex,

I was just getting ready to do an experiment when my RAID 0 failed. I was going to try importing into Premiere,unconverted by Cineform, AVCHD files to see if these files also caused creating PEK files everytime the project was reopened.

Have you tried importing non-cineform files to see if they cause the repeated production of PEK files?

John Rich

John, no - didn't try that, my entire workflow is currently CF-based...

Also I believe that, even if PPro accepts and maybe even plays other media types in real time, mixing the media types in PPro timeline will likely produce problems down the line (with 3rd party progs like PluralEyes; at the rendering stage in CS5 itself; etc.)

PS. May I suggest to never use Raid0... what I do here is always Raid10. This way you are backing up constantly. So far I have never lost data (knock on wood) with my Raid10s. I recommend 2TB HDD clusters driven by

Areca controllers

 

Areca controllers

. (If you are absolutely desperate for space, try Raid5 - but it gets trickier and riskier. In any case, Raid0 = data suicide. CF lets you avoid Raid0 because of lowered file bandwidth, while enjoying almost as high image quality as using uncompressed AVIs.)

Alex,
I didn't mean to change your workflow. However, I was trying to decide (in my own mind), whether this was a cineform problem or a Premiere Problem, not that practically that means anything. Also, I was going to use a non-cineform project ie one I made in the Premiere Desktop mode, to see if that gets rid of the problem. I have NeoHD and was using one of the cineform presets (1920x1080 60i )

When I was looking at the Media Cache and Media Cache files folders, both .PEK files (in the Media cache file folder and .mcdb files in the media cache folder were being created on opening. I believe the .mcdb files were only 1kb each, but the .pek files were up to 50kb or so each. So you think the .PEK files are only for audio? I have no idea what the .mcdb files are for.

Anyway, right now, it seems like a minor irritation that only slows down the project opening as far as I can tell.
I appreciate what you had to say about the RAID 0.
John

I have tried various file types and the peak files are re-generated only for Cineform files.

For what it's worth, my xppro system with CS3 and Prospect HD 3.4.9 doesn't regenerate the .pek files, so "the problem" appears to have happened after that.

John

regenerating pek files
 

A reinstall of cineform coult be the solution. But before the new installation of 5.04 remove the left behind files of cineform files in c: program files(64) adobe/common/pugins/cs5/mediacore/cineform/delete= cfhd imprter and exporter and cf render.
Also check c: programfiles/adobe/ adobe premiere pro CS 5/ plug ins/common/delete map = cineform

And check the map c; cineform itself, deleting the files except the word doc of your activation info

Is was my appoach in addition of my earlier post. My problem is fixed. I have not reconverted my 5.03 converted files with 5.04.

Give it a try; I know it is very frustrating have a bunch of files every time regenerating before you can start.
rgds
Hans

I wonder if this link (post 2) has any bearing on this? Maybe try turning off the "XMP switch"

Adobe Forums: Premiere pro CS5 will not stop indexing...

excellent find, yes an old Premiere bug -- it is get confused when writing the XMP ID.

Go into the menu Edit -> Preferences -> Media and turn off "Write XMP ID to Files on Import". Save the project after it generates the .pek files for the last (redundant) time -- it will not do on your next loads. This worked on a project of mine that always regen'd its pek files.

Trying this fix now... stay tuned...

This solution seems to work.

Thanks John and David!

This works for me!!!! THANK YOU!

FIXed mine
 

I finally fixed this problem. I'm currently editing a feature with RED media (R3D files). It kept re conforming all my media. Fixed the problem updating premiere to 5.0.3, then unchecking the box for "write xmp ID to files on import". I then deleted the media cache folders, and redirected ADOBE to where I wanted them to write to.

I think that alone would have fixed the problem, but before I reopened my project, I unmounted HD array and then remounted it.

I opened the project back up and let it begin to conform all the files once again. I left adobe over night until it was finished. The update in it of it self might have worked, but I went ahead and did several things to make sure.

Mike

Michael, please clarify. Is the box for "write xmp ID to files on import" still unchecked on your projects now?

Or is it checked, but PPro no longer re-conforms the audio?

The box is still unchecked. I havent tried rechecking the box now that everything is done and fixed.