Cineform workstations and hardware suggestions

David Taylor · July 16th, 2006, 11:40 PM

Yeah but it wasn't too long ago that the entry price point for HD post work was $100K!

John McGinley · July 16th, 2006, 11:49 PM

Your words offer little comfort to my credit card. :-)

David Ziegelheim · August 1st, 2006, 11:03 PM

1. Is there a credit for the ingest if you previously purchased PropectHD edit?

2. When do you select the Xena LHe over the Xena HS?

3. Which is the correct card to use with the HD100/200/250, HVX200, XL-H1 and new Canon A1?

4. When, if ever, is a RAID configuration needed? Are modern 300GB 7200rpm (or if necessary 10k) disks fast enough?

5. Is a single Core 2 processor sufficient? If only a single disk and processor are necessary, could injest be done with a $1500 PC?

Thanks,

David

David Newman · August 1st, 2006, 11:34 PM

1. Yes. Your upgrade charge is the current difference between Ingest and Edit products.

2. LHE is PCI-e and HS is PCI-X, so often the choice is made for you. If you have an older PCI-X-only workstation there is also the LH (no e). The LH or LHe cards have analog I/O, which is worth the extra expense for most users.

3. All work fine. However for any of the non-HDSDI cameras the LH/LHe cards allow you to do direct analog capture, and bypass the camera's own compressed. For the HD100 that will also get you 60p slowmotion.

4. Sure it is fast enough for most applications, however for those extreme multi-stream moments the RAID can come in handy. That said I recently upgraded two 120GB drives in RAID-0 with a single 320GB SATA drive, and it is keeping up.

5. If you are talking Conroe base Core 2 Duo then YES! Those machines blaze. We have tested a 2.66GHz dual core Conroe (Dell 390) and it could handle everything we could throw at it.

Trevor Allin · August 5th, 2006, 03:52 PM

Hi

Anyone know if you would need a raid with Prospect HD when capturing HD-SDI from a Canon HL H1?

Thanks again

Trevor

David Newman · August 5th, 2006, 03:57 PM

A RAID is not needed, only recommended. The direct output form the Canon's HDSDI feed can average over 25MBytes in highest quality mode -- modern single SATA drives can handle this.

David Ziegelheim · August 28th, 2006, 09:28 PM

If a camera is outputting a progressive output on 1080i, how is that captured? That is, is it captured as progressive output?

The question is about component output of 1080p24 output from a Canon or Panasonic HVX. While the H1 and G1 also have HD-SDI, the A1 only has component output. The HVX also has an option of 720p, however the Canons (and Sonys) don't.

Thanks,

David

David Newman · August 28th, 2006, 09:48 PM

No HDV/P2 camera truely outputs progressive over 1080i (HDSDI or analog.) They all apply pulldown to place 24 frames over 60i fields. We detect and extract this pulldown so the original 24p signal is all that is captured.

David Ziegelheim · August 28th, 2006, 10:18 PM

Thanks...boy was that quick...

Short follow up: is component ingest much better than converting the HDV m2t file?

Thanks again,

David

David Newman · August 28th, 2006, 11:25 PM

Yes, it less compressed if you capture the data live, better for greenscreen work. However, as for "much better" that depends on your needs.

Rodrigo Gil Medina · September 11th, 2006, 08:37 AM

Hello,

I'm building a new system to edit HDV using Premiere and Cineform. I bought a Matrox APVe card in ebay, but apparently it's not working, and I cannot do anything about it, the warranty has expired :( The only thig I can do is to buy a new card (this time not an used one) Is the Matrox APVe the only option that can display full HD video via component output?

Regards

David Newman · September 11th, 2006, 08:43 AM

It is a preferred card but there are others.

Rodrigo Gil Medina · September 11th, 2006, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

It is a preferred card but there are others.

Thanks a lot for your quick response. Can you recommend me another one. It's hard for me to get another APVe in Mexico. Nvidia and ATI cards are easy to get. Maybe something by those brands?

Thanks.

David Newman · September 11th, 2006, 09:29 AM

NVidia FX540 is the other popular one, however is a longer startup (from scrubbing to playback) delay than the Matrox card, that is why we perfer the AVPe.

Steven White · September 14th, 2006, 11:56 AM

With the advent of Blackmagic's HDMI input card for $250, I was wondering whether a system configured with such a card could record to the Cineform codec. While I personally wouldn't benefit as the FX1 has no HDMI output, it's certainly an interesting idea.

-Steve

August 1st, 2006, 11:03 PM	#48
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	Some Ingest Questions 1. Is there a credit for the ingest if you previously purchased PropectHD edit? 2. When do you select the Xena LHe over the Xena HS? 3. Which is the correct card to use with the HD100/200/250, HVX200, XL-H1 and new Canon A1? 4. When, if ever, is a RAID configuration needed? Are modern 300GB 7200rpm (or if necessary 10k) disks fast enough? 5. Is a single Core 2 processor sufficient? If only a single disk and processor are necessary, could injest be done with a $1500 PC? Thanks, David

August 1st, 2006, 11:34 PM	#49
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	1. Yes. Your upgrade charge is the current difference between Ingest and Edit products. 2. LHE is PCI-e and HS is PCI-X, so often the choice is made for you. If you have an older PCI-X-only workstation there is also the LH (no e). The LH or LHe cards have analog I/O, which is worth the extra expense for most users. 3. All work fine. However for any of the non-HDSDI cameras the LH/LHe cards allow you to do direct analog capture, and bypass the camera's own compressed. For the HD100 that will also get you 60p slowmotion. 4. Sure it is fast enough for most applications, however for those extreme multi-stream moments the RAID can come in handy. That said I recently upgraded two 120GB drives in RAID-0 with a single 320GB SATA drive, and it is keeping up. 5. If you are talking Conroe base Core 2 Duo then YES! Those machines blaze. We have tested a 2.66GHz dual core Conroe (Dell 390) and it could handle everything we could throw at it. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

August 5th, 2006, 03:52 PM	#50
Trevor Allin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Hd Sdi Hi Anyone know if you would need a raid with Prospect HD when capturing HD-SDI from a Canon HL H1? Thanks again Trevor

August 5th, 2006, 03:57 PM	#51
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	A RAID is not needed, only recommended. The direct output form the Canon's HDSDI feed can average over 25MBytes in highest quality mode -- modern single SATA drives can handle this. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

August 28th, 2006, 09:28 PM	#52
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	Question About Component Ingest If a camera is outputting a progressive output on 1080i, how is that captured? That is, is it captured as progressive output? The question is about component output of 1080p24 output from a Canon or Panasonic HVX. While the H1 and G1 also have HD-SDI, the A1 only has component output. The HVX also has an option of 720p, however the Canons (and Sonys) don't. Thanks, David

July 16th, 2006, 11:40 PM	#46
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Yeah but it wasn't too long ago that the entry price point for HD post work was $100K!

July 16th, 2006, 11:49 PM	#47
John McGinley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 142	Your words offer little comfort to my credit card. :-)

August 28th, 2006, 09:48 PM	#53
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	No HDV/P2 camera truely outputs progressive over 1080i (HDSDI or analog.) They all apply pulldown to place 24 frames over 60i fields. We detect and extract this pulldown so the original 24p signal is all that is captured. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

August 28th, 2006, 10:18 PM	#54
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	Thanks...boy was that quick... Short follow up: is component ingest much better than converting the HDV m2t file? Thanks again, David

August 28th, 2006, 11:25 PM	#55
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes, it less compressed if you capture the data live, better for greenscreen work. However, as for "much better" that depends on your needs. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 11th, 2006, 08:37 AM	#56
Rodrigo Gil Medina Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Posts: 52	Video Graphics Card Hello, I'm building a new system to edit HDV using Premiere and Cineform. I bought a Matrox APVe card in ebay, but apparently it's not working, and I cannot do anything about it, the warranty has expired :( The only thig I can do is to buy a new card (this time not an used one) Is the Matrox APVe the only option that can display full HD video via component output? Regards __________________ www.8cho.com.mx

September 11th, 2006, 08:43 AM	#57
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	It is a preferred card but there are others. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 11th, 2006, 09:29 AM	#59
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	NVidia FX540 is the other popular one, however is a longer startup (from scrubbing to playback) delay than the Matrox card, that is why we perfer the AVPe. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 14th, 2006, 11:56 AM	#60
Steven White Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 547	HDMI to Cineform? With the advent of Blackmagic's HDMI input card for $250, I was wondering whether a system configured with such a card could record to the Cineform codec. While I personally wouldn't benefit as the FX1 has no HDMI output, it's certainly an interesting idea. -Steve