"Apple" type filming/Cloned person? at DVinfo.net

Will Ryan · July 28th, 2006, 01:08 PM

Ok, this is what I'm hoping to do. I want it to look like a completely white room, like in the Apple commercials, and i want to be standing there, and have me talking to another me. Get it? I know I'd have to film what I'm saying for each "me" twice, but I don't get how to get them on the same screen or get everything else to be white. Sorry if this is too confusing. I'll try it like this. Take the apple commercials, but take one guy out, let's say the PC guy, then "clone" the mac guy, and have him talking to his clone. Better? I don't know if I'd do this in after effects or Vegas, so I posted here.

Cole McDonald · July 28th, 2006, 02:18 PM

setup set, don't move camera.

shoot one side then other...change costumes and positions between.

put one track over the other in your editor and set the composite mode on the top to screen. with a white background, it should just knock out the white background of the top and show the rest...although it may washout the top footage a bit.

Perhaps, you could use a chroma key to knock out whie and make sure that you aren't wearing any white...although bits of your eyes may disappear (so per haps green/blue screen would do a better job.

Will Ryan · July 28th, 2006, 03:03 PM

Can I use Vegas for this? If so, just drag one above the other, and how do I set the composite?

Warren Shultz · July 28th, 2006, 03:27 PM

Why not shoot it over a white BG, first one side, then shoot the other.

Put the two layers in your editor one on top of the other and crop the top layer by half. Slide around to sync up.

Adam Keen · July 28th, 2006, 05:43 PM

Check out http://ryanw.michaelfrisk.com/ryan-w/index.html for some tutorials on doing just that.

Alex Sprinkle · August 1st, 2006, 07:16 PM

yeah, just chroma key it out. That'll be the easiest way. Just make sure you get the timing right for the speaking.

Nick Jushchyshyn · August 2nd, 2006, 07:14 PM

Not chroma key.
This would normally be shot on a white background.
You can get HUGE rolls of white paper (12 feet wide, 50 feet long) for around $30 for this exact purpose at most pro photo supply stores.

Shoot the two "characters" seperately on the white background.
Apply a levels or curves filter to the captured video to make the whites "really white".
To finish, set up a timeline with a white color background.
Add the first character and reposition to one side of the frame.
Add the second character, positioned to the other side of the frame, and apply a mask (if needed) to make sure the first character is not covered by any white background from the top layer.

This should work in most video editing programs or VFX apps.
Any questions?

Daniel Bates · August 4th, 2006, 07:53 AM

Or you can try a luma key... that would work with a white background, as long as you plan your costume appropriately.

Riley Harmon · August 10th, 2006, 09:10 PM

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Nick Jushchyshyn · August 11th, 2006, 07:14 AM

Nice one Riley!
Really like the camera work.

The blend on the merry-go-round split screen shot was particularly cool (though I think it shows just a little towards the very end).

Have fun.

July 28th, 2006, 01:08 PM	#1
Will Ryan New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Palos Hills, IL Posts: 6	"Apple" type filming/Cloned person? Ok, this is what I'm hoping to do. I want it to look like a completely white room, like in the Apple commercials, and i want to be standing there, and have me talking to another me. Get it? I know I'd have to film what I'm saying for each "me" twice, but I don't get how to get them on the same screen or get everything else to be white. Sorry if this is too confusing. I'll try it like this. Take the apple commercials, but take one guy out, let's say the PC guy, then "clone" the mac guy, and have him talking to his clone. Better? I don't know if I'd do this in after effects or Vegas, so I posted here.

July 28th, 2006, 02:18 PM	#2
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	setup set, don't move camera. shoot one side then other...change costumes and positions between. put one track over the other in your editor and set the composite mode on the top to screen. with a white background, it should just knock out the white background of the top and show the rest...although it may washout the top footage a bit. Perhaps, you could use a chroma key to knock out whie and make sure that you aren't wearing any white...although bits of your eyes may disappear (so per haps green/blue screen would do a better job. __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

August 2nd, 2006, 07:14 PM	#7
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	Not chroma key. This would normally be shot on a white background. You can get HUGE rolls of white paper (12 feet wide, 50 feet long) for around $30 for this exact purpose at most pro photo supply stores. Shoot the two "characters" seperately on the white background. Apply a levels or curves filter to the captured video to make the whites "really white". To finish, set up a timeline with a white color background. Add the first character and reposition to one side of the frame. Add the second character, positioned to the other side of the frame, and apply a mask (if needed) to make sure the first character is not covered by any white background from the top layer. This should work in most video editing programs or VFX apps. Any questions? __________________ Nick Jushchyshyn Matchmoving, Compositing, TD imdb

August 11th, 2006, 07:14 AM	#10
Nick Jushchyshyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 548	Nice one Riley! Really like the camera work. The blend on the merry-go-round split screen shot was particularly cool (though I think it shows just a little towards the very end). Have fun. __________________ Nick Jushchyshyn Matchmoving, Compositing, TD imdb

July 28th, 2006, 03:03 PM	#3
Will Ryan New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Palos Hills, IL Posts: 6	Can I use Vegas for this? If so, just drag one above the other, and how do I set the composite?

July 28th, 2006, 03:27 PM	#4
Warren Shultz Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 248	Why not shoot it over a white BG, first one side, then shoot the other. Put the two layers in your editor one on top of the other and crop the top layer by half. Slide around to sync up.

July 28th, 2006, 05:43 PM	#5
Adam Keen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 49	Check out http://ryanw.michaelfrisk.com/ryan-w/index.html for some tutorials on doing just that.

August 1st, 2006, 07:16 PM	#6
Alex Sprinkle Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moore, Oklahoma Posts: 408	yeah, just chroma key it out. That'll be the easiest way. Just make sure you get the timing right for the speaking.

August 4th, 2006, 07:53 AM	#8
Daniel Bates Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Daegu, Korea Posts: 180	Or you can try a luma key... that would work with a white background, as long as you plan your costume appropriately.

August 10th, 2006, 09:10 PM	#9
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	http://rileyharmon.com/wordpress/?page_id=13 :-)