New Affordable HD DVD format poised for release
http://displaydaily.com/2007/09/17/r...-life-to-dvds/
Built on Red laser multi layer technology, the players will hit the market in the $180.00 dollar range. (Costco, RadioShack, Amazon) Of course, they need more titles. Supposedly the players will uprez existing DVD's nicely...but, I'd need to see it. |
I can't keep up with the format war, grin. It can only get more and more interesting as the competition heats up further.
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Good. Maybe Apple's new Mac Pros won't have to tack on an extra $600 bucks for the Blu-Ray burner!
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Even if this is promising the marketing machine for HD-DVD and Blu-ray are probably way too far ahead for this to ever really get off the ground.
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I say "too late"!
I personally think people have just now gotten used to HD-DVD and Bluray on the sales racks, a new format so soon is just going to confuse people even more, not decrease it. Their advertising will also be playing catchup as well. On top of all of that, they're still missing the point with going to blue laser technology, the storage!!! Granted, 200gb is excessive for most movies, but 30gb is far too little for future HD content (ie. HD behind the scenes, multiple featurettes, DVD-ROM games, ect.). Big movies like "Lord of The Rings" and "Matrix" come to mind, not in the movies themselves, but all of the special features that go with them. If you could have everything on a single disc, that would be better then sorting through pages of DVD's in big collector's sets. TV shows as well would benefit. Each episode being transferred/remastered to HD alone would eat up that 30gb per disc. Obviously, a 200gb blue laser disc would be better to have for that kind of product. That way people don't have to dedicate shelf after shelf for TV show seasons. Also, this product will also be competing with newer formats being released, particularly those holographic storage discs that are supposedly a year or two away if I remember correctly. |
Someone will probably release a 1080p Blu-Ray/HD DVD combo player for $250 or less, and then the format war will be over. Frankly, I can't see why the hi-def players cost so much -- upwards of 10 times what a DVD player costs. Are blue lasers that expensive?
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Expensive because they aren't mass produced yet. That'll change.
But it's also supply and demand, and the companies taking advantage of the novelty and unavailability of the products. Sell for more if they can, right? Not nice, but smart for profits. |
It could work.
If a third Hi-Def Disk format comes out and the consumers see the disk prices are cheaper and the consoles are cheaper then that format will rise to the top.
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Wow, it will be on sale in the US in October? Will new DVD authoring software need to become available as well upon its release or will we see patches or updates to the current software tools already in use?
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I'm not technical on the subject but I'm pretty sure I heard that the clean-room standards and machine calibrations it takes to make blue laser Blu-Ray discs are much tougher and more expensive than red laser. So the price is more than mass production, they're also harder to produce.
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To be able to get high quality HD with the faster red laser at an affordable price could be huge for the whole industry...even if they have to get established in the Asian market first. I'm more interested in when they develop the DVD writers for this format along w/ their authoring software. You would think that some of the big companies like Microsoft and Apple might want to look into a more affordable high storage disk solution. |
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Well, here's an interesting update on the release...
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-en...epth/800026706 Looks like they are about to make a push to sign on the major studios: Quote:
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quote: "Why mess with multiple layer ..."
money, man, money... why mess anyway with any of the new format to see what you already got on cheap DVD with a nice quality. the difference will be made today by writing on the media, not reading it. today people want to record more than 30 years ago. even 30 years ago with VHS, the success was based on the fact that you can record TV on a 180min VHS cheap VHS tape, not by the fact you can see a movie. all read only media were a failure at early stage (except CD , because it started a really new era in audio). and as soon the mp3 started, the CD was dying (people do care for size before quality). look at the success of Divx, how many people are just happy to look at movies that can fit a 700mb CD-R. and look at DVD, how many commercial DVD are really using the full capacity of DVD. most of them are encoded a 5Mb/s sec to fit a single layer, or a dual layer at best when many features are present. |
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Yeah and we all know how picky dual layer DVD discs are. Can you imagine what would happen to a multi layer disc with even the smallest scratch? How well is this format going to hold up over time?
What is up with the name too? NME = Enemy This format would have had a chance a year or two ago but not now. If consumers walked into a Store they are going to look at Toshiba or SONY as brandnames and not NME which nobody has ever heard of before. The same arguments that go against HD-DVD for not having more studio or hardware company support will really go against this format. The format really isn't all that much cheaper then HD-DVD anymore and a lot of people have already bought into HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. None of those people are going to jump on some wannabe format. |
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The VMD bit rate blows away the standard DVD --- DVD is 9.8 Mbs as compared to VMD's 45Mbs. Quote:
Actually, the overall costs between Red Laser technology and BlueRay are dramatic. What does it cost to Author a BlueRay title...50 grand? The smaller independents films will naturally gravitate towards a more affordable format. How was NME able to beat the other two formats in releasing Peter Jackson's "Lord of the Rings" trilogy? Affordability and a streamlined process built on existing technology. The Nintendo vs Playstation & Xbox is an interesting analogy. |
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> "Unless you need some of the fancier menu features it's about $500 for a burner and another $500 or so for software, plus $50 for a few blank discs."
Don't forget AACS licensing for copy protection. http://www.aacsla.com/support/ |
hehe, an interesting result from a study shows that only 40% of PS3 owner are aware that their gamebox include a Blu-ray reader.
http://www.youtube.com/v/MFoyp71xw3w |
I was hoping to say "Blu-Ray Strikes Back," but probably not. From IMDb (and yes, the money HD DVD gave to Paramount/DreamWorks helped):
'Is Sony Signaling End of War Over HD Video? In the first hint that he may be reconsidering whether to continue the battle with Toshiba over high-definition video, Sony chief Howard Stringer said Wednesday that the format battle between the two companies has become "mostly a matter of prestige." In a speech in New York Thursday night, Stringer also suggested that the battle over Sony's Blu-ray system and Toshiba's HD DVD "doesn't mean as much as all that." At one time, he suggested, it might have been possible to unify the two formats, and if time travel were possible he would try to do that now. He decried the decision of Paramount/DreamWorks to sign an exclusive deal (worth a reported $150 million) to release films exclusively in the HD DVD format. "We were trying to win on the merits, which we were doing for a while, until Paramount changed sides," Stringer said.' heath |
Maybe we WILL see a compromise. I do think in the long run that would be best.
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They don't even know what the data transfer rate for Blu-ray is.
40Mbps for movies 48Mbps for movie + audio Higher yet for data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc |
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HD VMD update
Well, to update the release of the product...
HD VMD players finally began to ship after 3 years of development. I believe they became available to the US market just after Christmas (Dec 27) through the PCrush distributor. 10,000 units ordered by the US distributor and 10,000 units ordered by the central Europe distributor. http://www.nmeinc.com/production.aspx Now, I'm waiting to read an actual review of the player. _______________________________________ Notes from the interview w/ the CEO: http://www.wallst.net/superstocks/su...=4216&play=yes Initial version of HD VMD will be at the 25 gig range. 6 Month target: 1) Mass adoption of the HD VMD format 2) PC Market / release a software & VMD Drive (player) for PC's 9 Month target: 1) Release Recordable VMD & authoring software / target industrial archiving 12 month target: 1) VMD Blue ray (100 gigs) 2) VMD used in GAME machine industry |
My lovely bride wandered into my office as I was reading this thread and asked what I was up to. I pointed to the thread and one of the posted articles about VMD. Her exact words: "Not ANOTHER One! We've already got TWO! We're already repeating the Betamax war! We don't need ANOTHER format!" Then she huffed and stomped out of my office.
And she only knows enough technology to synch her iPod and install the occasional video game.... ciao, Matt |
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Well, to further update the HD VMD format... It's not dead yet.
Still haven't read a full review of the product. But, actual 1080p movie content is now available for purchase in the new HD VMD format. http://nmestore.com/index.php?osCsid...54844e&cPath=2 Some of the movies are not available till February 7th. Not exactly a plethera of choices...but it's a start. Cost per movie: $17.49. I'm not sure how that compares to the other two HD formats. They will be showing off the replication line on the 22nd of January. I'm not sure what that means in relation to the industry. http://www.nmeinc.com/download/nme-v...ction-line.zip (PDF zip file of replication line) |
Orginal blank DVD-R's were $50 when they first came out. They are sub $1 now. Paramount just dumped HD DVD. There is no reason why Blu-Ray DVD media prices will not follow the same curve once production quanties ramp up, at least now all the stupid fighting over formats will cease and we can all gain the benefits of a single, high volume format.
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If this format took off in Asia, and had many foreign films not available in the US, it would be a decent investment of $199 for the player. I already see a couple films on this rogue HD format not available anywhere else in HD at the moment. Luc Besson's "Angel-A" for example and "Pulp Fiction". Interesting stuff. |
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Today NME Signs Exclusive Worldwide Deal for Classic and Award-Winning Film and TV Titles For the First Time on HD, Now Available on NME's HD Bundle Box, Feature Length Movies, including Rudyard Kipling's 'The Jungle Book,' 'Sudden Death,' 'Instant Love,' 'Wilma' and Many More. http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...09012008-1.htm ...This deal represents a deeper partnership that will expand to include SFM's library releasing through NME's HD VMD format throughout 2008 - solidifying NME's position as a low-cost HD alternative. ...Other movie titles being considered for release by SFM through NME's HD VMD Bundle Box include: Academy Award-Winning "The Hellstrom Chronicle," "Murph the Surph," Monkees of Bandapur" and "Get Rollin.'" The two companies plan to follow-up these releases with a HD VMD Bundle Box of classic television shows constituting of "Real McCoys," "Make Room for Daddy," "Adventures of Jim Bowie," and many others. |
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