Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup

David Heath · March 25th, 2013, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

I'm curious to see if 4K/UHD is accelerating, steady, or stalling...

Judging by what I'm hearing from dealers, then the F5/55 seems to be the runaway winner. Current predictions seem to be a heavy uptake of 4k acquisition at the higher end of the market - certainly for anyone who thinks their material may have future value, or may be destined for cinematic showing. (Whilst features like RAW may also have benefit in the 1080 world.)

What does seem to be fading away is 1080p/50(60), at least in the broadcast etc field. It seems to now fall between stools - been pushed aside by 4k as the "future-proof" standard, but too much effort for the "here-today" world.

I don't see 1080p/50(60) ever now being the new broadcast transmission standard. Things will either stay as they are, or there will be a leapfrog to 4k. If you're going to update a standard, it's pointless to do it incrementally.

Glen Vandermolen · March 25th, 2013, 06:41 PM

There were the 4K consumer prototypes from Sony and Panasonic at CES '13. Hopefully, there's more info on them at NAB.
Maybe JVC will release the Nikon mount 4K prototype they had at NAB '12? But the quad SD cards doesn't seem to be the best solution.

Paulo Teixeira · March 25th, 2013, 07:15 PM

At least we already have 2 announced 4K players, Redray and the PS4.

Theirs one more camera that's not mentioned:
Sneak Peek Pictures of the Panasonic 4K Varicam Camera? : Cinescopophilia
It'll for sure be going up against the top dogs from Red and Sony.

Karl Eklund · March 26th, 2013, 06:24 AM

What is the status of Aaton Penelope Delta?

GoPro, they are doing 4K after all, but I don't think they will leave their comfort zone and go up against the big boys that are already losing money in their market.

Chris Hurd · March 26th, 2013, 06:47 AM

Good question, Karl --

Penelope is a work of art though.

Aaton : Penelope Delta

Brian Drysdale · March 26th, 2013, 08:48 AM

At least one Penelope Delta has been delivered:
Aaton Penelope Delta Delivered | Film and Digital Times

Jon Fairhurst · March 26th, 2013, 12:40 PM

Last year, Aja announced the Ki Pro Quad, but I don't think it made it into this thread.
Ki Pro Quad - AJA Video Systems

At IBC, Blackmagic announced the Decklink 4K Extreme and UltraStudio 4K
Blackmagic Design: DeckLink 4K Extreme
Blackmagic Design: UltraStudio 4K

Miranda has a 4K NAB teaser page that includes the following:

Miranda's leading you down the road to 4K / UHDTV with a wide array of solutions:
* Telecast CopperHead camera-back transceivers
* Upconversion / Downconversion for full compatibility with 3 Gbps monitoring equipment
* Enterprise-class NVISION routers with 4K options
* 4K-ready multiviewer to view any signal at any time
Miranda technologies NAB 2013

What 4K goodies can you find? :)

Jacques Mersereau · March 27th, 2013, 09:02 AM

FOR-A has just announced a high speed 4K cam.

Not sure about posting this link in the correct manner. HELP CHRIS :-)

FOR-A to Introduce The FT-ONE—World's First Full 4K Super Slow Motion Camera—at Cine Gear Expo | News and Events | FOR-A

Chris Hurd · March 27th, 2013, 10:04 AM

Nothing wrong with the way you posted that PR, Jacques -- but I had to look twice; it's from last year's CineGear Expo.

Jacques Mersereau · March 27th, 2013, 10:33 AM

Interesting as I have just now heard about this today from two different sources.

Well, it might as well be mentioned - perhaps it is finally ready and working - maybe ;-0

J "what is vaporware?" Mersereau

Paulo Teixeira · March 27th, 2013, 06:39 PM

I almost forgot about another 4K camera that was shown a while back. It's a big chip version of the HMQ10U.

Watch from 2:26

Dom Stevenson · March 28th, 2013, 08:07 PM

What's going on with Panasonic? It seems like the rest of the brands have left them standing. I bought a GH3 recently and would like to see the af100 replaced with a decent codec since i'll eventually build up nice selection of M4/3 glass and would like a "real" video camera to compliment the GH3.

Are there any rumours about what Panny are up to?

Troy Moss · March 29th, 2013, 03:25 PM

Hey, I'm with you, my first choice for my next camera purchase is the AF200 (or whatever it's called). However, I don't think anything is going to happen (we'll see at NAB). If not, I'm purchasing the Canon C100 from one of the sponsors here on DVinfo......

Dom Stevenson · March 30th, 2013, 09:31 AM

Nah! Panasonic must be on the verge of some major new announcements. It's inconceivable that they're throwing in the towel to Sony and Canon. I was surprised how quiet they were at NAB last year and am expecting a big showing this year, and some stiff competition. We'll soon find out. I hope i'm right.

March 25th, 2013, 06:41 PM	#17
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup There were the 4K consumer prototypes from Sony and Panasonic at CES '13. Hopefully, there's more info on them at NAB. Maybe JVC will release the Nikon mount 4K prototype they had at NAB '12? But the quad SD cards doesn't seem to be the best solution.

March 25th, 2013, 07:15 PM	#18
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup At least we already have 2 announced 4K players, Redray and the PS4. Theirs one more camera that's not mentioned: Sneak Peek Pictures of the Panasonic 4K Varicam Camera? : Cinescopophilia It'll for sure be going up against the top dogs from Red and Sony. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 26th, 2013, 06:24 AM	#19
Karl Eklund New Boot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 10	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup What is the status of Aaton Penelope Delta? GoPro, they are doing 4K after all, but I don't think they will leave their comfort zone and go up against the big boys that are already losing money in their market.

March 26th, 2013, 06:47 AM	#20
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Good question, Karl -- Penelope is a work of art though. Aaton : Penelope Delta __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 26th, 2013, 08:48 AM	#21
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,143	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup At least one Penelope Delta has been delivered: Aaton Penelope Delta Delivered \| Film and Digital Times

March 26th, 2013, 12:40 PM	#22
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Last year, Aja announced the Ki Pro Quad, but I don't think it made it into this thread. Ki Pro Quad - AJA Video Systems At IBC, Blackmagic announced the Decklink 4K Extreme and UltraStudio 4K Blackmagic Design: DeckLink 4K Extreme Blackmagic Design: UltraStudio 4K Miranda has a 4K NAB teaser page that includes the following: Miranda's leading you down the road to 4K / UHDTV with a wide array of solutions: * Telecast CopperHead camera-back transceivers * Upconversion / Downconversion for full compatibility with 3 Gbps monitoring equipment * Enterprise-class NVISION routers with 4K options * 4K-ready multiviewer to view any signal at any time Miranda technologies NAB 2013 What 4K goodies can you find? :) __________________ Jon Fairhurst

March 27th, 2013, 09:02 AM	#23
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup FOR-A has just announced a high speed 4K cam. Not sure about posting this link in the correct manner. HELP CHRIS :-) FOR-A to Introduce The FT-ONE—World's First Full 4K Super Slow Motion Camera—at Cine Gear Expo \| News and Events \| FOR-A __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

March 27th, 2013, 10:04 AM	#24
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Nothing wrong with the way you posted that PR, Jacques -- but I had to look twice; it's from last year's CineGear Expo. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 27th, 2013, 10:33 AM	#25
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Interesting as I have just now heard about this today from two different sources. Well, it might as well be mentioned - perhaps it is finally ready and working - maybe ;-0 J "what is vaporware?" Mersereau __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

March 27th, 2013, 06:39 PM	#26
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup I almost forgot about another 4K camera that was shown a while back. It's a big chip version of the HMQ10U. Two models! JVC 4K consumer video cameras and demo @ CES 2012 - YouTube Watch from 2:26 __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 28th, 2013, 08:07 PM	#27
Dom Stevenson Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: London UK Posts: 430	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup What's going on with Panasonic? It seems like the rest of the brands have left them standing. I bought a GH3 recently and would like to see the af100 replaced with a decent codec since i'll eventually build up nice selection of M4/3 glass and would like a "real" video camera to compliment the GH3. Are there any rumours about what Panny are up to?

March 29th, 2013, 03:25 PM	#28
Troy Moss Major Player Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA Posts: 253	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Hey, I'm with you, my first choice for my next camera purchase is the AF200 (or whatever it's called). However, I don't think anything is going to happen (we'll see at NAB). If not, I'm purchasing the Canon C100 from one of the sponsors here on DVinfo......

March 30th, 2013, 09:31 AM	#29
Dom Stevenson Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: London UK Posts: 430	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Nah! Panasonic must be on the verge of some major new announcements. It's inconceivable that they're throwing in the towel to Sony and Canon. I was surprised how quiet they were at NAB last year and am expecting a big showing this year, and some stiff competition. We'll soon find out. I hope i'm right.