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Gary Huff September 20th, 2017 11:17 AM

Re: Panasonic EVA1 announced at CineGear 2017
 
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Originally Posted by Dan Brockett (Post 1936631)
Elle Schneider's film had some shots obviously photographed at the worst possible time of day for flattering lighting and the images looked really good, not blown out, she had a huge vista with nuclear sun and clouds in the BG and none of the whites in the clouds were clipped. You definitely saw 14 stops of latitude. Projected, the firelight scenes looked great, not veering into the typical clipped red channel that shooting by firelight has, if you have ever tried it.

I thought her compositioning skills left a lot to be desired. First of all, 4:3 for 2x anamorphic is a feature of this camera, and she should have shot with that given the subject matter. She also was really lacking on spatial placement, both in scenes with people sitting around, and even just in the travel shots (also, a lot of burning of screen time with nonsense, that film could have been 2/3 to 1/2 the length).

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I also have to say that the audience seemed to mostly be camera nerds, not working DPs, operators and ACs, asking the most inane and irrelevant questions you have ever heard.
Oh yeah, you get around DPs of note at NAB and you'll hear some absolutely inane questions, so I can believe it.

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Not a single person asked about how the camera was to operate
My biggest question is: are the HFR modes like on the GH5, namely that you have to switch out of 10-bit 4:2:2 to get any HFR. So if you want to do a shot on the GH5 at 48fps over 23.98, you do it in 8-bit 4:2:0. I wonder if the EVA1 is the same.

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what grade of Black Promists Johnny used and how the camera/image responded to them
Definitely a question I would have asked. Looking to add some Black Magic filters, and I'm not sure which strength to get, probably 1/8 or 1/4.

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nobody asked for comments from the colorists at Technicolor how they felt about the 150Mbps footage, etc.
Yeah, or, for that matter, why they chose to shoot internally vs. out to recorder in ProRes. Was that a decision to keep things simple, or was that a requirement from Panasonic?

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Going to this event made me realize how much more of a DP I am than a camera nerd. So many of the technical specs JUST DON'T MATTER, especially on $7,500.00 cameras.
Preach.

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Personally, I don't think this camera will used that often in narrative filmmaking
Because of the trend where there's been a huge drop-off? I mean, back in the day when Canon DSLRs were king, it seemed like everyone and their mother was making short films, and now that the gear has pretty much solidified into an equal playing field across the whole price range, it seems like no one is doing that anymore. So weird.

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Just seems wishful thinking that narrative filmmakers are flocking to sub $10k cameras
Definitely, I mean, sure, the EVA1 may end up being used as a "crash cam" and then people will talk about it like it was the A-camera, but the GH5 is better for that use anyway. I like the idea of it, but, frankly, I give up DPAF (which gives me a leg up as a solo operator), 10-bit in HFR modes (if the EVA1 is like the GH5 in that regard), and noise levels if I use one over my C300 Mark II. However, if I needed to record anamorphic, it's clearly good for that.

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Whereas documentary, corporate and event filmmakers are going to be the audience for this camera.
It's a massive problem that the EVA1 isn't getting the Intra codecs on launch considering the GH5 is getting those in 9-10 days. The LongG GH5 files are quite a burden on the system, *especially* in 4K.

Dan Brockett September 20th, 2017 11:25 AM

Re: Panasonic EVA1 announced at CineGear 2017
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Huff (Post 1936635)
I thought her compositioning skills left a lot to be desired. First of all, 4:3 for 2x anamorphic is a feature of this camera, and she should have shot with that given the subject matter.

From what was said, because these were hot off of the press engineering models, not all of the features of the camera were enabled yet, no VFR, no anamorphic, etc. They get a pass from me on that, you can only shoot what the camera will allow you to.

I can also guarantee that if they would have shot Prores, there would have been caterwauling, the likes you have never heard of from the camera nerds on "why didn't you shoot natively in camera, what are you trying to hide or cover up?" I feel a little for Mitch and the filmmakers, they were damned if they did, damned if they didn't.

I agree, this releasing cameras that aren't finished thing is stupid, no different than the XF-AVC "update" on the C200 or that my C200 shipped with several bugs that still need to be addressed, which is unusual but not unprecedented for Canon. To me, it's a the triumph of marketing department over project management/engineering to release cameras without all of the basic features advertised in place. My personal opinion is that Panasonic may miss sales on the EVA 1 because they will possibly not have the 400 Mbps codec at launch, that feature, to me, was the biggest selling point of the camera when I first heard about it.

Gary Huff September 20th, 2017 11:26 AM

Re: Panasonic EVA1 announced at CineGear 2017
 
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Originally Posted by Dan Brockett (Post 1936636)
because these were hot off of the press engineering models, not all of the features of the camera were enabled yet, no VFR, no anamorphic, etc.

Gotcha.

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I feel a little for Mitch and the filmmakers, they were damned if they did, damned if they didn't.
Yeah, but this is a little rushed, hence why stuff already working in the GH5 is delayed in the EVA1. Probably due in part to the new sensor, dual ISO, and full Vlog.

Brent Kaplan September 20th, 2017 06:58 PM

Re: Panasonic EVA1 announced at CineGear 2017
 
Does anyone know how well the gh5 matches to the eva1 and what features do they share ?

Gary Huff September 23rd, 2017 10:10 AM

Re: Panasonic EVA1 announced at CineGear 2017
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Huff (Post 1936635)
My biggest question is: are the HFR modes like on the GH5, namely that you have to switch out of 10-bit 4:2:2 to get any HFR. So if you want to do a shot on the GH5 at 48fps over 23.98, you do it in 8-bit 4:2:0. I wonder if the EVA1 is the same.

UPDATE: According to Mitch Gross on Twitter: "Yes, up to 120p available in 10-bit 422."

Charles Papert September 23rd, 2017 11:59 AM

Re: Panasonic EVA1 announced at CineGear 2017
 
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Originally Posted by Dan Brockett (Post 1936631)
Just seems wishful thinking that narrative filmmakers are flocking to sub $10k cameras.

I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but I have been on the lookout for a camera to own that I can use for a splinter unit situation on my bigger jobs (like an extra angle for a stunt or action scene, or to send someone to get an establishing shot etc). Also it's nice to have around for the odd small thing I need to shoot outside of work. I have an A7S but the DSLR form factor has never been my thing--suffered through it in the 5D era and then moved on.Held on to my EF lens kit until the right camera came out. So for me, the EVA1 checks off a lot of boxes, and I may indeed get one.

Gary Huff October 3rd, 2017 08:43 PM

Re: Panasonic EVA1 announced at CineGear 2017
 
Just an FYI, straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak), no anamorphic mode on the EVA1, unlike the GH5.


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