How close are we to dual layer DVD burner? at DVinfo.net

Christopher C. Murphy · January 6th, 2004, 09:03 PM

Hi,

Anyone have any idea when the consumer will be able to buy a dual layer DVD burner?

Thanks!

Murph

Sharon Fraats · January 6th, 2004, 09:14 PM

Here are some good reads:
http://www.dvdrw.com/press/duallayer.htm
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/8742

Software application:
http://www.coolwerkz.com/burning_a_dual_layer_dvd.htm

Rob Lohman · January 7th, 2004, 10:35 AM

I heard reports around the summer, but at least somewhere
this year.

Rob Lohman · January 7th, 2004, 10:37 AM

I don't think that software will burn dual-layer DVD, in fact I think
it is a lie. I think they are saying that it will convert your
dual-layer DVD's to multiple CD's [with great quality loss I might
add!]

Christopher C. Murphy · January 7th, 2004, 10:53 AM

Hey, thanks everyone for posting. It looks like the first DVD burners that record true dual-layer for consumers will be here in a few months.

Sony looks like the one who's doing it first...cool!

Thanks!!

Murph

Rob Easler · January 7th, 2004, 11:28 AM

Ulead Workshop 2 not yet released is said to support dual layer recording when the hardware is available.

Rob Lohman · January 7th, 2004, 11:35 AM

Personally I only "trust" Nero to do the job and they've always
had a version ready for new burners, so it'll probably be the
same in this case. Getting the media to burn on is probably gonna
be the issue at hand when the burners will be available.

Sharon Fraats · January 7th, 2004, 12:36 PM

DVD SP 2 has the option to do a dual layer. I have yet to try it to settle this issuse if software can do it I will go get a dual layer DVD and try a burn.

Jeff Donald · January 7th, 2004, 12:38 PM

I believe the dual layer option in DVD SP is for DLT masters.

Rob Lohman · January 7th, 2004, 12:46 PM

That's for DLT output indeed, not for DVD burners.

Sharon Fraats · January 7th, 2004, 12:51 PM

You are right as to DLT however with a DVD 10 could one not record dual?

Jeff Donald · January 7th, 2004, 12:59 PM

I believe in DVD SP it sets a flag on the DLT tape so that the masters can be pressed correctly. Burning a double sided disk would need two asset folders, one audio and video for each side of the DVD 10. I've not burned DVD 10's from DVD SP, but that is my understanding.

Sharon Fraats · January 7th, 2004, 02:09 PM

The question is not if it can but how using DVD9 there are problems with DVD SP 2 as mentioned in the following

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93514

http://discussions.info.apple.com/We...VN.3@.599c5654

Jeff Donald · January 7th, 2004, 03:31 PM

With DVD SP 2.0.3 a function of the flag was amended to be a pause, as outlined in the Apple Knowledge Base Article you referenced. The pause default was added to increase compatibility in playing DVD-9 discs. This update is relatively new and I haven't talked to anyone who has had a DVD-9 made since the update release, to know if it fixed the prior incompatability.

Rob Lohman · January 8th, 2004, 07:31 AM

Sharon,

I doubt the current feature will work as is with the new burners,
why? Because support for new burners (and especially new major
features!) must be added to the product. The way a dual layer
DVD will be burned is radically different from the way a dual layer
IMAGE is written to a DLT tape.

That being said, let's just wait for the burners & media to appear
on the market and I'm sure you will hear from the major software
manufacturers if it is supported and if not how long it will take
them.

January 6th, 2004, 09:03 PM	#1
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	How close are we to dual layer DVD burner? Hi, Anyone have any idea when the consumer will be able to buy a dual layer DVD burner? Thanks! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 7th, 2004, 10:35 AM	#3
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I heard reports around the summer, but at least somewhere this year. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 7th, 2004, 10:37 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I don't think that software will burn dual-layer DVD, in fact I think it is a lie. I think they are saying that it will convert your dual-layer DVD's to multiple CD's [with great quality loss I might add!] __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 7th, 2004, 10:53 AM	#5
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Hey, thanks everyone for posting. It looks like the first DVD burners that record true dual-layer for consumers will be here in a few months. Sony looks like the one who's doing it first...cool! Thanks!! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 7th, 2004, 11:35 AM	#7
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Personally I only "trust" Nero to do the job and they've always had a version ready for new burners, so it'll probably be the same in this case. Getting the media to burn on is probably gonna be the issue at hand when the burners will be available. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 6th, 2004, 09:14 PM	#2
Sharon Fraats Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: chicago, ill Posts: 190	Here are some good reads: http://www.dvdrw.com/press/duallayer.htm http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/8742 Software application: http://www.coolwerkz.com/burning_a_dual_layer_dvd.htm

January 7th, 2004, 11:28 AM	#6
Rob Easler Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 219	Ulead Workshop 2 not yet released is said to support dual layer recording when the hardware is available.

January 7th, 2004, 12:36 PM	#8
Sharon Fraats Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: chicago, ill Posts: 190	DVD SP 2 has the option to do a dual layer. I have yet to try it to settle this issuse if software can do it I will go get a dual layer DVD and try a burn.

January 7th, 2004, 12:38 PM	#9
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I believe the dual layer option in DVD SP is for DLT masters. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 7th, 2004, 12:46 PM	#10
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That's for DLT output indeed, not for DVD burners. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 7th, 2004, 12:51 PM	#11
Sharon Fraats Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: chicago, ill Posts: 190	You are right as to DLT however with a DVD 10 could one not record dual?

January 7th, 2004, 12:59 PM	#12
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I believe in DVD SP it sets a flag on the DLT tape so that the masters can be pressed correctly. Burning a double sided disk would need two asset folders, one audio and video for each side of the DVD 10. I've not burned DVD 10's from DVD SP, but that is my understanding. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 7th, 2004, 02:09 PM	#13
Sharon Fraats Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: chicago, ill Posts: 190	The question is not if it can but how using DVD9 there are problems with DVD SP 2 as mentioned in the following http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93514 http://discussions.info.apple.com/We...VN.3@.599c5654

January 7th, 2004, 03:31 PM	#14
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	With DVD SP 2.0.3 a function of the flag was amended to be a pause, as outlined in the Apple Knowledge Base Article you referenced. The pause default was added to increase compatibility in playing DVD-9 discs. This update is relatively new and I haven't talked to anyone who has had a DVD-9 made since the update release, to know if it fixed the prior incompatability. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 8th, 2004, 07:31 AM	#15
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Sharon, I doubt the current feature will work as is with the new burners, why? Because support for new burners (and especially new major features!) must be added to the product. The way a dual layer DVD will be burned is radically different from the way a dual layer IMAGE is written to a DLT tape. That being said, let's just wait for the burners & media to appear on the market and I'm sure you will hear from the major software manufacturers if it is supported and if not how long it will take them. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors