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Cleveland Brown · December 7th, 2005, 10:12 AM

I have been up all night tring to solve a problem and find that the drive not ready error has been cause by different DVD's I have been using Verbatim 16x 4.7GB 120 min DVD+R with no problems. I tried some Memorex DVD-R's with the same states and couldn't get them to burn. I am sure some of you have had similar problems. We should compile a list of Bad DVDR's for DVDSP3!

Michael Westphal · December 7th, 2005, 10:40 AM

It gets tough to do this as the problems may not be DVDSP but drive/disk problems.

For example:
I've been using Verbatim 16X disks with a G5 and the stock Sony drive. My disks all burn perfectly and play back perfectly (using Toast 6.1.1 for the burning).

I switched to a G4 with a NEC 16X drive and Toast 6.1.1. The same DVD image burns fine and validates fine (at 4X, 8X, and 16X). But it skips on my reference DVD player.

Same blank disks, same image produced by DVDSP, burned with the same program but in a different burner... different results. (Which is a shame, because the NEC can burn the image in 2+ minutes, while the Sony takes 10+ minutes...)

Zach Mull · December 7th, 2005, 01:05 PM

I agree with Michael. There are not many times when I will completely defend Apple softare, but DVDSP does not have disc compatibility problems. I have lots of experience with it over the last year, and I can assure you that when you have problems they are either with your media, writable drive or a particular combination of both.

Dan Euritt · December 7th, 2005, 01:35 PM

it could also be a bad burner... i have had a couple of sony drives that had the laser go bad... it's an intermittent failure mode, and the disc plays on some desktop dvd players, but not others.

Christopher Lefchik · December 7th, 2005, 02:10 PM

I highly doubt it is a problem between DVD Studio Pro and the DVD media. What is much more likely is a compatibility problem between the DVD recorder and DVD media, or (possibly) a problem between the burning software and the DVD recorder.

I would suggest checking if there is a new firmware version available for you DVD burner. It might improve compatibility with certain DVD media.

Cleveland Brown · December 7th, 2005, 09:40 PM

Well that is sure a curious thing indeed. Thanks for the replies so far. The DVD Burner came with the brand new G5 and I have only had it for about 10 months. I have only burned about 20 DVD's with it so far. What was happening was that with the Memorex DVD-R's, I was getting the message "Burn Failed. Disk drive reported the not ready error: Incompatilbe Media etc." It would go through everthing and start formatting and the death spiral could come on and the drive would open.

Switched bact to the Verbatim DVD+R's and the problem went away.

You guys are indicating that the problem could be the burner itself. How can I establish that and since it falls under applecare, do you think they will replace it?

Christopher Lefchik · December 8th, 2005, 12:52 PM

It could be a bad burner, but it could also be a simple incompatibility between the burner and the Memorex DVD media, in which case there is nothing wrong with the drive. Have you tried updating the firmware (if there is an update available for your drive)? I would try that first before assuming the burner is defective. If you update and you still have the problem, then you could try an exchange.

However, since the Verbatim DVDs still work fine, I'm leaning towards the problem lying in some sort of incompatibility between the drive and whatever supplier's blank DVDs happened to be in the Memorex package you purchased (Memorex doesn't make their own DVDs; like most other name brands they purchase from a variety of different manufacturers, some good, some bad).

Dan Euritt · December 8th, 2005, 04:03 PM

cris is right on the money... i think that one of the functions of updating the burner includes allowing it to recognize the latest burn speeds of all the media... there is more to burning than just being able to read the media i.d. sector(?)

when those sony drives went bad, there was no warning... the discs all appeared to burn without errors, but as the drives got progressively worse, you could occasionally see problems on the burned area of the disc.

turn your burn failures over and inspect the bottom of the disc around the hub, see how far the burn progressed.

Cleveland Brown · December 8th, 2005, 05:40 PM

None of them ever even got to the Burn state. The error popped up before that stage of the Burn. How can I tell what kind of Drive it is?

Lewis Lehman · December 9th, 2005, 02:43 AM

system profiler. make sure you have all the firmware updates.

Just got my G5 back fom the shop. Optical drive replacement. Sometimes you get a bad one. Mine would fail sometimes but not others. My sales rep admitted that he'd seen the problem more than once.

When I got the machine back, the tech had changed my password and disabled one of my HDD's. He also felt an archive install of the original bundled OS was a good idea. I wanted to ...ARG!

Forced me to learn more about the the guts of the beast - silver lining.

I find that computer components can be a lot like wine, a certain percentage will always be "corked" hehehe

lewis

Derek Lewis · December 22nd, 2005, 06:33 PM

My DVD burner on my Powerbook has been schitzo since I bought it.

Alessandro Machi · December 25th, 2005, 07:58 PM

Just for kicks, don't change anything other than going to 8X discs.

From what I have heard 16x is just not as reliable as 8X. If you only make that change and get a better result, you have probably isolated the problem.

Nate Ford · January 9th, 2006, 10:28 AM

afaik, -r are still the best bet for set-top player compatibility compared to +r, so you probably want to find a kind of -r that works for you.

December 7th, 2005, 10:12 AM	#1
Cleveland Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 138	DVDR's that are not compatible with DVDSP! I have been up all night tring to solve a problem and find that the drive not ready error has been cause by different DVD's I have been using Verbatim 16x 4.7GB 120 min DVD+R with no problems. I tried some Memorex DVD-R's with the same states and couldn't get them to burn. I am sure some of you have had similar problems. We should compile a list of Bad DVDR's for DVDSP3! __________________ CLEVE-ij

December 7th, 2005, 10:40 AM	#2
Michael Westphal Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 166	A lofty goal It gets tough to do this as the problems may not be DVDSP but drive/disk problems. For example: I've been using Verbatim 16X disks with a G5 and the stock Sony drive. My disks all burn perfectly and play back perfectly (using Toast 6.1.1 for the burning). I switched to a G4 with a NEC 16X drive and Toast 6.1.1. The same DVD image burns fine and validates fine (at 4X, 8X, and 16X). But it skips on my reference DVD player. Same blank disks, same image produced by DVDSP, burned with the same program but in a different burner... different results. (Which is a shame, because the NEC can burn the image in 2+ minutes, while the Sony takes 10+ minutes...) __________________ Michael A Westphal

December 7th, 2005, 09:40 PM	#6
Cleveland Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 138	Well that is sure a curious thing indeed. Thanks for the replies so far. The DVD Burner came with the brand new G5 and I have only had it for about 10 months. I have only burned about 20 DVD's with it so far. What was happening was that with the Memorex DVD-R's, I was getting the message "Burn Failed. Disk drive reported the not ready error: Incompatilbe Media etc." It would go through everthing and start formatting and the death spiral could come on and the drive would open. Switched bact to the Verbatim DVD+R's and the problem went away. You guys are indicating that the problem could be the burner itself. How can I establish that and since it falls under applecare, do you think they will replace it? __________________ CLEVE-ij

December 8th, 2005, 05:40 PM	#9
Cleveland Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 138	None of them ever even got to the Burn state. The error popped up before that stage of the Burn. How can I tell what kind of Drive it is? __________________ CLEVE-ij

December 9th, 2005, 02:43 AM	#10
Lewis Lehman Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 35	what's my drive? system profiler. make sure you have all the firmware updates. Just got my G5 back fom the shop. Optical drive replacement. Sometimes you get a bad one. Mine would fail sometimes but not others. My sales rep admitted that he'd seen the problem more than once. When I got the machine back, the tech had changed my password and disabled one of my HDD's. He also felt an archive install of the original bundled OS was a good idea. I wanted to ...ARG! Forced me to learn more about the the guts of the beast - silver lining. I find that computer components can be a lot like wine, a certain percentage will always be "corked" hehehe lewis __________________ Roll Video Inc. Z1 G5 Fear is faith it won't work out

December 7th, 2005, 01:05 PM	#3
Zach Mull Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 273	I agree with Michael. There are not many times when I will completely defend Apple softare, but DVDSP does not have disc compatibility problems. I have lots of experience with it over the last year, and I can assure you that when you have problems they are either with your media, writable drive or a particular combination of both.

December 7th, 2005, 01:35 PM	#4
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	it could also be a bad burner... i have had a couple of sony drives that had the laser go bad... it's an intermittent failure mode, and the disc plays on some desktop dvd players, but not others.

December 7th, 2005, 02:10 PM	#5
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	I highly doubt it is a problem between DVD Studio Pro and the DVD media. What is much more likely is a compatibility problem between the DVD recorder and DVD media, or (possibly) a problem between the burning software and the DVD recorder. I would suggest checking if there is a new firmware version available for you DVD burner. It might improve compatibility with certain DVD media.

December 8th, 2005, 12:52 PM	#7
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	It could be a bad burner, but it could also be a simple incompatibility between the burner and the Memorex DVD media, in which case there is nothing wrong with the drive. Have you tried updating the firmware (if there is an update available for your drive)? I would try that first before assuming the burner is defective. If you update and you still have the problem, then you could try an exchange. However, since the Verbatim DVDs still work fine, I'm leaning towards the problem lying in some sort of incompatibility between the drive and whatever supplier's blank DVDs happened to be in the Memorex package you purchased (Memorex doesn't make their own DVDs; like most other name brands they purchase from a variety of different manufacturers, some good, some bad).

December 8th, 2005, 04:03 PM	#8
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	cris is right on the money... i think that one of the functions of updating the burner includes allowing it to recognize the latest burn speeds of all the media... there is more to burning than just being able to read the media i.d. sector(?) when those sony drives went bad, there was no warning... the discs all appeared to burn without errors, but as the drives got progressively worse, you could occasionally see problems on the burned area of the disc. turn your burn failures over and inspect the bottom of the disc around the hub, see how far the burn progressed.

December 22nd, 2005, 06:33 PM	#11
Derek Lewis Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: East Lansing, MI Posts: 45	My DVD burner on my Powerbook has been schitzo since I bought it.

December 25th, 2005, 07:58 PM	#12
Alessandro Machi Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles, Ca USA Posts: 553	Just for kicks, don't change anything other than going to 8X discs. From what I have heard 16x is just not as reliable as 8X. If you only make that change and get a better result, you have probably isolated the problem. __________________ https://alexlogic.blogspot.com/ Los Angeles Emmy Winner (yes, used a video edit controller and loved doing so.)

January 9th, 2006, 10:28 AM	#13
Nate Ford Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: new york, ny Posts: 121	afaik, -r are still the best bet for set-top player compatibility compared to +r, so you probably want to find a kind of -r that works for you.