Ulead DVD Workshop MPEG choppyness? at DVinfo.net

Scott Silverman · January 3rd, 2003, 02:55 PM

Hi,
I used Ulead DVD Workshop to create a DVD with two short (one about 3min and the other about 19min) avi clips that were shot on my GL2 and breifly edited in Premiere 6. When I put the DVD into the DVD player after it had been burned the footage was all like choppy. It wasn't smooth like the video I would see directly of the GL2 or even on a VHS. I used the highest quality encoding and a Memorex DVD. My DVD burner is a Pioneer DVR-104. When I play back the Mepgs on my computer they are choppy also but when I play back the Mpegs they are not choppy. So my question is basically this: Is the MPEG encoding in this software crappy or is it my computer somehow? And, if it is the software: Why is it crappy, this is $300 software we are dealing with it would seem that it should be good encoding? Thanks and if you need any more info about my system or anything else just let me know.

Thanks so much!

Adam Wakely · January 4th, 2003, 03:50 AM

I have the same problem. But it's when I use TMGPE!I notice the choppy-ness more while there is movement! It looks like it's in frame mode or low shutter speed. I experimented with about 20 or so 10 sec moving clips that were recorded with my XL1 at 29.97 f/s. I write down every possible combination of settings, audio, data rates, etc. I still can't get it to play right.

I love DVD Workshop much better than DVDMovie Factory (due to it's more manual editing) but with it I get a different problem. It keeps giving me a "disk error" at the end and won't burn my disk!
DVD Movie Factory works perfect! Unfortunately it won't convert my AVI files to MPEGs! They have that jittery look as well. I have to use M.S.P. 6.5 to create the MPEG2s first and then import into DVD Movie Factory. Then it works perfect. It's actually way faster than TMPGE and very close quality (TMGPE has more manual settings for DVD) (Of course that's when it use to work for me but not anymore!) Weird!

If I figure out (and will hopefully) I'll let you know!

Still trying and learning....

Scott Silverman · January 4th, 2003, 04:59 PM

Adam,
Thanks so much for the reply. Its kind of funny that 300 dollar software would have such a major problem. I wont use it because of this. I can't give people DVDs that look like crap. Well, if you ever do figure out a solution I would love to know it! Thanks so much!

Keith Luken · January 4th, 2003, 10:54 PM

I have create several DVDs with DVD Work Shop with no problmes. I do NOT use DVD workshop to encode the video. I use DVD Workshop to author only existing MPEG2 files that I created with TMPGENC. I have found the Frame mode shots are a little choppy, alo with TMPGENC it is best to put motion compensation on HIGHEST QUALITY, this does slow it down quite a bit. Also don;t try to create Non-Interlaced from Interlaced, it works, but also adds a very subtle chopp to the image, you can play with all the de-interlacing options, some work better than others, but I have decided to just stick with Interlaced, gives me cleanest smoothest pitures.

Rob Lohman · January 5th, 2003, 01:34 PM

Scott,

Did you burn an MPEG2 to a DVD-Data disc and played that
or did you actually created a DVD-Video disc? It might be that
your player simply cannot keep up. Also note that you cannot
go over 9.4 mbps video channel (total 9.8 with audio).

Scott Silverman · January 5th, 2003, 08:11 PM

Hi Rob,
I am not exactly sure about all the answers to your questions. I think it was a DVD-Video disc because I used the program DVD Workshop to create the disc. I am using my XBOX to play the DVD so my guess is that of all DVD players, it is probably very capable of keeping up. But then again that's just a guess. I am not quit sure what he 9.4 mbps is, or how to check/set it when burning the disc. Thanks for your help!

Adam Wakely · January 5th, 2003, 08:58 PM

As for making DVD Workshop work. I get as far as burning it to disk for a bit and then "Uleads DVD Workshop Error" "Failed to record data on the disk error" [93006:1:5]"

I have absolutley no problem with DVD Movie factory!

tried every combo possible but can't get pass the burning stage.
I'll have to stick to Movie factory.

Adam Wakely · January 5th, 2003, 10:58 PM

Ok, my errors all along were caused from my Pioneer DVD-RW disk! Even though it says up to 1000x writeable, it's toast now.
When I do a disk video image so I can play back a test via power DVD all the footage (including MPEGs made with TMPGE ) playback perfect! (trying save all my DVD-Rs!) I will now use Power DVD first before burning from an image. DVD Work Shop should work fine now!

I think I will finish a DVD that I want to keep just incase the test does work!

Rob Lohman · January 6th, 2003, 08:24 PM

Adam, tried formatting the disc again (full, not fast format)?

Scott, since I'm not familiair with the application(s) you use(d)
I'm afraid I cannot offer you any more advice on the matter
at this point. Sorry.

Adam Wakely · January 11th, 2003, 03:35 AM

Won't format any more. Mabey I left my beer on it too long! :)

Thanks for the help.

Scott Silverman · January 11th, 2003, 11:49 PM

Videomaker mag gave it a review on commented on it's "excellant" coding. They also said that when you image is shaper and more clear you sacrafice the smoothness of the video. Meaning it's more choppy. I don't know whats wrong but I dont like it!

Adam Wakely · January 12th, 2003, 02:45 AM

Going to try (tomorrow) a full DVD-R of my 4 hour wedding production. I have it set at 60min/disk so a total of 4 disks for my customer.

Next video I edit I'm going to try with another DVD-RW disk and see if I can get a high quality but at 120min/disk. In will use TMPGE to encode my footage to MPEG2.

A DVD-RW disk is great for doing those 10 sec test clips instead of wasting 1 time disks.

More info here... http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...7931#post37931

Hope I have success!

January 3rd, 2003, 02:55 PM	#1
Scott Silverman Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupertino, California, USA Posts: 301	Ulead DVD Workshop MPEG choppyness? Hi, I used Ulead DVD Workshop to create a DVD with two short (one about 3min and the other about 19min) avi clips that were shot on my GL2 and breifly edited in Premiere 6. When I put the DVD into the DVD player after it had been burned the footage was all like choppy. It wasn't smooth like the video I would see directly of the GL2 or even on a VHS. I used the highest quality encoding and a Memorex DVD. My DVD burner is a Pioneer DVR-104. When I play back the Mepgs on my computer they are choppy also but when I play back the Mpegs they are not choppy. So my question is basically this: Is the MPEG encoding in this software crappy or is it my computer somehow? And, if it is the software: Why is it crappy, this is $300 software we are dealing with it would seem that it should be good encoding? Thanks and if you need any more info about my system or anything else just let me know. Thanks so much! __________________ Scott Silverman Shining Star Digital Video Productions Bay Area, CA

January 4th, 2003, 03:50 AM	#2
Adam Wakely Quantum Productions Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC, Canada Posts: 161	I have the same problem. But it's when I use TMGPE!I notice the choppy-ness more while there is movement! It looks like it's in frame mode or low shutter speed. I experimented with about 20 or so 10 sec moving clips that were recorded with my XL1 at 29.97 f/s. I write down every possible combination of settings, audio, data rates, etc. I still can't get it to play right. I love DVD Workshop much better than DVDMovie Factory (due to it's more manual editing) but with it I get a different problem. It keeps giving me a "disk error" at the end and won't burn my disk! DVD Movie Factory works perfect! Unfortunately it won't convert my AVI files to MPEGs! They have that jittery look as well. I have to use M.S.P. 6.5 to create the MPEG2s first and then import into DVD Movie Factory. Then it works perfect. It's actually way faster than TMPGE and very close quality (TMGPE has more manual settings for DVD) (Of course that's when it use to work for me but not anymore!) Weird! If I figure out (and will hopefully) I'll let you know! Still trying and learning.... __________________ Adam Wakely, Quantum Productions

January 4th, 2003, 04:59 PM	#3
Scott Silverman Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupertino, California, USA Posts: 301	Adam, Thanks so much for the reply. Its kind of funny that 300 dollar software would have such a major problem. I wont use it because of this. I can't give people DVDs that look like crap. Well, if you ever do figure out a solution I would love to know it! Thanks so much! __________________ Scott Silverman Shining Star Digital Video Productions Bay Area, CA

January 5th, 2003, 01:34 PM	#5
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Scott, Did you burn an MPEG2 to a DVD-Data disc and played that or did you actually created a DVD-Video disc? It might be that your player simply cannot keep up. Also note that you cannot go over 9.4 mbps video channel (total 9.8 with audio). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 5th, 2003, 08:11 PM	#6
Scott Silverman Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupertino, California, USA Posts: 301	Hi Rob, I am not exactly sure about all the answers to your questions. I think it was a DVD-Video disc because I used the program DVD Workshop to create the disc. I am using my XBOX to play the DVD so my guess is that of all DVD players, it is probably very capable of keeping up. But then again that's just a guess. I am not quit sure what he 9.4 mbps is, or how to check/set it when burning the disc. Thanks for your help! __________________ Scott Silverman Shining Star Digital Video Productions Bay Area, CA

January 4th, 2003, 10:54 PM	#4
Keith Luken Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 200	I have create several DVDs with DVD Work Shop with no problmes. I do NOT use DVD workshop to encode the video. I use DVD Workshop to author only existing MPEG2 files that I created with TMPGENC. I have found the Frame mode shots are a little choppy, alo with TMPGENC it is best to put motion compensation on HIGHEST QUALITY, this does slow it down quite a bit. Also don;t try to create Non-Interlaced from Interlaced, it works, but also adds a very subtle chopp to the image, you can play with all the de-interlacing options, some work better than others, but I have decided to just stick with Interlaced, gives me cleanest smoothest pitures.

January 5th, 2003, 08:58 PM	#7
Adam Wakely Quantum Productions Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC, Canada Posts: 161	As for making DVD Workshop work. I get as far as burning it to disk for a bit and then "Uleads DVD Workshop Error" "Failed to record data on the disk error" [93006:1:5]" I have absolutley no problem with DVD Movie factory! tried every combo possible but can't get pass the burning stage. I'll have to stick to Movie factory. __________________ Adam Wakely, Quantum Productions

January 5th, 2003, 10:58 PM	#8
Adam Wakely Quantum Productions Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC, Canada Posts: 161	Ok, my errors all along were caused from my Pioneer DVD-RW disk! Even though it says up to 1000x writeable, it's toast now. When I do a disk video image so I can play back a test via power DVD all the footage (including MPEGs made with TMPGE ) playback perfect! (trying save all my DVD-Rs!) I will now use Power DVD first before burning from an image. DVD Work Shop should work fine now! I think I will finish a DVD that I want to keep just incase the test does work! __________________ Adam Wakely, Quantum Productions

January 6th, 2003, 08:24 PM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Adam, tried formatting the disc again (full, not fast format)? Scott, since I'm not familiair with the application(s) you use(d) I'm afraid I cannot offer you any more advice on the matter at this point. Sorry. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 11th, 2003, 03:35 AM	#10
Adam Wakely Quantum Productions Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC, Canada Posts: 161	Won't format any more. Mabey I left my beer on it too long! :) Thanks for the help. __________________ Adam Wakely, Quantum Productions

January 11th, 2003, 11:49 PM	#11
Scott Silverman Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cupertino, California, USA Posts: 301	Videomaker mag gave it a review on commented on it's "excellant" coding. They also said that when you image is shaper and more clear you sacrafice the smoothness of the video. Meaning it's more choppy. I don't know whats wrong but I dont like it! __________________ Scott Silverman Shining Star Digital Video Productions Bay Area, CA

January 12th, 2003, 02:45 AM	#12
Adam Wakely Quantum Productions Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC, Canada Posts: 161	Going to try (tomorrow) a full DVD-R of my 4 hour wedding production. I have it set at 60min/disk so a total of 4 disks for my customer. Next video I edit I'm going to try with another DVD-RW disk and see if I can get a high quality but at 120min/disk. In will use TMPGE to encode my footage to MPEG2. A DVD-RW disk is great for doing those 10 sec test clips instead of wasting 1 time disks. More info here... http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...7931#post37931 Hope I have success! __________________ Adam Wakely, Quantum Productions