Psystar

Christopher Drews · November 25th, 2008, 01:04 AM

Mac OS X - Desktops - For Your Home - Psystar

This is mind blowing!
Blu-Ray is an option!
Anyone bought one here?
-C

Giroud Francois · November 25th, 2008, 01:27 AM

if they got legal license for OSX, i do not think it is written somewhere that osx is forbidden to run elsewhere than an apple computer.
on the other hand getting support from apple on this machine is probably impossible.

Tom Cadwalader · November 25th, 2008, 07:11 AM

Actually they are in a litigation with Apple, but Psystar is gong after Apple. Google Psystar and you will find plenty of info about the legal battles.

Tom

Geoff Dills · November 25th, 2008, 09:03 AM

apple sued....psystar counter sued....judge threw out countersuit by psy and the parties agreed to nonbinding closed-to-the-public arbitration....

Richard Alvarez · November 25th, 2008, 10:33 AM

Just a guess, with a closed-door arbitration, and NO injunction stopping current sales for Psystar??? I'd say Psystar is 'ahead' in the game.

Boyd Ostroff · November 25th, 2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giroud Francois

if they got legal license for OSX, i do not think it is written somewhere that osx is forbidden to run elsewhere than an apple computer.

I don't know what special deals they may have, but the OSX license says the following:

Quote:

Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer, or to enable others to do so.

See:http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx105.pdf

Giroud Francois · November 25th, 2008, 01:20 PM

this is probably illegal statement.
if this would there is a long time that sony would not allow to play movies on anything else than a sony DVD player.
The same for zone on DVD, it is illegal but nobody bothers to fight it.

Richard Alvarez · November 25th, 2008, 01:27 PM

I expect the reason that the case went to arbitration, and that an immediate cease and desist wasn't issued - is that Psystar has invested in some really good IP attorneys. They are looking to make case law, and Apple isn't interested in that happening. End user agreements are ripe for litigation and most software companies don't want them busted open.

Boyd Ostroff · November 25th, 2008, 01:32 PM

I know that people do install MacOSX on other computers, but I believe it involves changing some of the code which would normally prevent it from working on non-Apple hardware.

I have no idea what the legal ramifications of this are, but to extend your analogy Giroud, this would seem more like defeating the copy protection on a DVD as opposed to just popping it into a player and having it work without modification.

Giroud Francois · November 25th, 2008, 02:29 PM

i do not think so. Some of the OSX hack rely on the original apple DVD.
They just install a layer (harware or software) that allows to cheat the OSX for recognizing as an Apple machine. For sure this required at first some reverse engineering and code stolen.

Christopher Drews · December 21st, 2008, 03:53 AM

I guess it still surprises me that Pystar includes the blu-ray option. You can burn blu-ray with toast bd but can't watch a bd movie?! Anyone else think this is funny?

-C

Steve Oakley · December 22nd, 2008, 12:18 AM

EULA's are pretty thin ice. basically not very enforceable and have come under a lot of legal challenge the last few years.

that said, you can put anything you want into a EULA, but that doesn't mean its legal, or will stand up to challenge in court. so without going to trial on a clause like that, it means nothing. then again, the entire EULA could basically be tossed out, and apple knows it.

there are numerous rulings about 3rd parties writing software to run on closed hardware which is ok, starting back with activision and the atari 2600. this would basically be the reverse - using open hardware to run closed software. my bet is courts would rule the same way, that you can indeed run software on the hardware of your choosing, perhaps to the point of making it illegal to lock software to a particular vendors hardware brand ( anti trust and consumer protection laws for starters ).

so apple fearing this ruling in open court would go to arbitration to basically pay them off to go away... or not. seems like there is some vested interest and money behind pystart to break this open.

November 25th, 2008, 01:04 AM	#1
Christopher Drews Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 628	Psystar - how are they not sued? Mac OS X - Desktops - For Your Home - Psystar This is mind blowing! Blu-Ray is an option! Anyone bought one here? -C

November 25th, 2008, 07:11 AM	#3
Tom Cadwalader Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cheboygan, Michigan Posts: 79	They are in Litigation Actually they are in a litigation with Apple, but Psystar is gong after Apple. Google Psystar and you will find plenty of info about the legal battles. Tom

November 25th, 2008, 09:03 AM	#4
Geoff Dills Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 85	suit behind closed doors apple sued....psystar counter sued....judge threw out countersuit by psy and the parties agreed to nonbinding closed-to-the-public arbitration....

November 25th, 2008, 01:27 AM	#2
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	if they got legal license for OSX, i do not think it is written somewhere that osx is forbidden to run elsewhere than an apple computer. on the other hand getting support from apple on this machine is probably impossible.

November 25th, 2008, 10:33 AM	#5
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Just a guess, with a closed-door arbitration, and NO injunction stopping current sales for Psystar??? I'd say Psystar is 'ahead' in the game.

November 25th, 2008, 01:20 PM	#7
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	this is probably illegal statement. if this would there is a long time that sony would not allow to play movies on anything else than a sony DVD player. The same for zone on DVD, it is illegal but nobody bothers to fight it.

November 25th, 2008, 01:27 PM	#8
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	I expect the reason that the case went to arbitration, and that an immediate cease and desist wasn't issued - is that Psystar has invested in some really good IP attorneys. They are looking to make case law, and Apple isn't interested in that happening. End user agreements are ripe for litigation and most software companies don't want them busted open.

November 25th, 2008, 01:32 PM	#9
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	I know that people do install MacOSX on other computers, but I believe it involves changing some of the code which would normally prevent it from working on non-Apple hardware. I have no idea what the legal ramifications of this are, but to extend your analogy Giroud, this would seem more like defeating the copy protection on a DVD as opposed to just popping it into a player and having it work without modification.

November 25th, 2008, 02:29 PM	#10
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	i do not think so. Some of the OSX hack rely on the original apple DVD. They just install a layer (harware or software) that allows to cheat the OSX for recognizing as an Apple machine. For sure this required at first some reverse engineering and code stolen.

December 21st, 2008, 03:53 AM	#11
Christopher Drews Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 628	I guess it still surprises me that Pystar includes the blu-ray option. You can burn blu-ray with toast bd but can't watch a bd movie?! Anyone else think this is funny? -C

December 22nd, 2008, 12:18 AM	#12
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	EULA's are pretty thin ice. basically not very enforceable and have come under a lot of legal challenge the last few years. that said, you can put anything you want into a EULA, but that doesn't mean its legal, or will stand up to challenge in court. so without going to trial on a clause like that, it means nothing. then again, the entire EULA could basically be tossed out, and apple knows it. there are numerous rulings about 3rd parties writing software to run on closed hardware which is ok, starting back with activision and the atari 2600. this would basically be the reverse - using open hardware to run closed software. my bet is courts would rule the same way, that you can indeed run software on the hardware of your choosing, perhaps to the point of making it illegal to lock software to a particular vendors hardware brand ( anti trust and consumer protection laws for starters ). so apple fearing this ruling in open court would go to arbitration to basically pay them off to go away... or not. seems like there is some vested interest and money behind pystart to break this open.