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Michael Galvan July 23rd, 2009 07:18 AM

The NEW Final Cut Studio announced today!
 
It's finally here!

Apple - Final Cut Studio

Michael Lyas July 23rd, 2009 07:32 AM

New "Final Cut Studio" & "Logic Studio"
 
Read all about it:

Apple - Final Cut Studio

Apple - Logic Studio

Yea!

Have good read

Michael

Mike Browning July 23rd, 2009 07:34 AM

Holy shikes.

Edit: It's not available for purchase yet though... maybe they're still getting it updated in the Apple store?

Peter Dunphy July 23rd, 2009 07:48 AM

Ouch - I only have just bought and registered FCS2.

New one available to buy now

Just noticed this:

"Upgrade from prior versions of Final Cut Studio, Production Suite, or Final Cut Pro*"

There's hope at last!

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 07:48 AM

Talk about a quiet announcement! Apple wasn't kidding about 86-ing debuting it at a major show, like NAB, etc. But I thought they'd at least do a press conference.

Looks great (Final Cut Studio 3), but this is the third iteration of Final Cut Studio WITHOUT a new version of DVD Studio Pro...

heath

Andy Wilkinson July 23rd, 2009 07:53 AM

FCS3 and Blu-Ray - at last!
 
At last! To quote from the blurb directly....

"Blu-ray disc and DVD burning. You can now easily burn a Blu-ray disc or a DVD directly from Compressor. Quickly add a menu to your disc by choosing one of the beautiful Apple-designed HD or SD templates or, to achieve a specific look, import and use third-party or custom templates"

Michael Galvan July 23rd, 2009 07:54 AM

Not only has the price of the whole suite gone down ...

But the upgrade price is much lower than before too ...

Only $299 now to upgrade? I love Apple!!!!

Ronan Fournier July 23rd, 2009 07:55 AM

Brd
 
It's always DVD Studio Pro 4 with no Blu-Ray authoring. :-(
However, it seems that it's now possible to burn a very simple BR directly from Compressor 3.5, like those we can burn with Toast, I guess.

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 07:56 AM

That was under Compressor 3.5... However, it's definitely music to my ears!

heath

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 08:00 AM

"Blu-ray–compatible H.264 encoding Compressor now includes a setting that allows you to create Blu-ray–compatible H.264 files that can be imported directly into third-party Blu-ray disc authoring software."

So, DVD Studio Pro 4.x won't do it. That version came out in 2005. Well, good thing I have Encore CS4 and Toast 10 Titanium Pro!

Heath

Dan Foster July 23rd, 2009 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan Fournier (Post 1175404)
It's always DVD Studio Pro 4 with no Blu-Ray authoring. :-(
However, it seems that it's now possible to burn a very simple BR directly from Compressor 3.5, like those we can burn with Toast, I guess.

Quick note: Hi guys - first post here. Thanks to Chris Hurd for the privilege, as well as Robert Lane and numerous others here for insightful tips and suggestions. Been reading this forum for most of 2009.

I agree -- was hoping for, but didn't seriously expect, a revamped DVDSP with Blu-Ray authoring. Noticed the Compressor support, so that's something, at least. Noticed a bunch of new features that I could make good use of from the get-go.

A nice summary of the major new features in the new FCS7 suite can be found here:

Apple - Final Cut Studio - Whats New

(I'm still reading and digesting the list.)

Peter Dunphy July 23rd, 2009 08:10 AM

Ordered the upgrade. Done. Very excited!

Will be interested to learn how the new FCS will take advantage of the 8 core Macs.

Mike Browning July 23rd, 2009 08:28 AM

Will also be looking at how they plan this update to work with Snow Leopard. Are they aiming for any additional performance boost with 10.6, or is this update all the performance enhancements they have lined up? That's my question.

Andy Wilkinson July 23rd, 2009 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Dunphy (Post 1175412)
Ordered the upgrade. Done. Very excited!

Will be interested to learn how the new FCS will take advantage of the 8 core Macs.

Yes! Please let me know how you get on (I have an 2009 8 core 2.66Ghz Nehalem Mac Pro). I'm in the middle of some big and very time critical corporate jobs right now with FCS2 so won't risk being a beta tester/bug reporter for FCS3 ...but am very keen to upgrade as soon as it looks sensible to do so - and as soon as it's clear how all this will work with SL (when that's finally released!).

I nearly bought Toast 10 yesterday so glad I waited (to be confirmed... but it seems the Compressor route in FCS3 will be basically the same as the Toast route, as indicated above in this thread, i.e. simple Blu-Ray - but that's all I need for my PS3). Looks like it's been a good day already!

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 09:08 AM

We can compress to Blu-ray right now in the latest version of Compressor (3.0.5) and create BDs with Encore CS4 or Toast 10 Titanium Pro.

heath

Dave Hagan July 23rd, 2009 09:18 AM

Final Cut Studio 3 Announced
 
Apple has released a new version of Final Cut Studio:

Apple - Final Cut Studio

Ethan Cooper July 23rd, 2009 09:28 AM

I don't see anything under the DVDSP part that says you can author BluRay discs.

The only thing I see about BluRay is listed under the bit about Compressor and says:
Quote:

You can now easily burn a Blu-ray disc or a DVD directly from Compressor. Quickly add a menu to your disc by choosing one of the beautiful Apple-designed HD or SD templates included in Compressor. Because Compressor uses an open XML-based template format, you can import third-party or custom templates for a specific look.
Someone please tell me I'm seeing this wrong.

Luke Tingle July 23rd, 2009 09:32 AM

nice features, nothing groundbreaking, but nice

Luke Tingle July 23rd, 2009 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethan Cooper (Post 1175445)
I don't see anything under the DVDSP part that says you can author BluRay discs.

The only thing I see about BluRay is listed under the bit about Compressor and says:


Someone please tell me I'm seeing this wrong.

sounds like the previous HD-DVD workflow

Tim Dashwood July 23rd, 2009 09:35 AM

The big upgrades for me:

-Optical flow now only analyzes the portion of the clip you are using instead of the whole damn thing

-Speed changes are handled much better now with ease in/out options... much more Avid-like. The option is also there now to ripple the rest of the sequence or not.

-Depth of Field & 3D shadows in Motion! Yeah!

-ProRes4444 for more efficient 4:4:4 workflows.

-Background rendering with easy export

-Multicolored markers

Still no stereoscopic mastering support so I guess it is time to release my plugin!

Jonathan Levin July 23rd, 2009 09:35 AM

Apple - Final Cut Studio - Tech Specs and System Requirements

Looks like I need an intel machine......damn.

Jonathan

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Levin (Post 1175453)
Apple - Final Cut Studio - Tech Specs and System Requirements

Looks like I need an intel machine......damn.

Jonathan

A lot of speculation about not supporting PowerPC leading up to today's announcement.

Heath

Ethan Cooper July 23rd, 2009 09:48 AM

I just read through the "in depth" PDF and DVDSP does not offer BluRay authoring. The only way you can burn a BluRay is by using the new feature through Compressor which will be a quick and easy burn without all the bells and whistles you can add by using DVDSP. I'm not happy about this.

I like many of you had hoped that Apple was cooking up a major update that would coincide with the release of snow leopard to utilize it's new features. This is not that.

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 09:55 AM

Tim,

Email me privately about your plug-in; I may have an upcoming project in 2K 3D that I can use to test it!

Heath

Harrison Murchison July 23rd, 2009 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethan Cooper (Post 1175463)
I like many of you had hoped that Apple was cooking up a major update that would coincide with the release of snow leopard to utilize it's new features. This is not that.

Intel only is basically Apple preparing for Snow Leopard and the new features it'll offer. I expect next year there will be fairly large update brining 64-bit, OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch support.

Christopher Drews July 23rd, 2009 11:45 AM

Two Gods of Cinema Using FCP ST3
 
That video with Francis Ford Coppola and Walter Murch on Apple's FCP website is about the best marketing I've ever seen for Final Cut Pro. When Murch said he's been using FCP for 8 years - wow - that could create an earthquake in the Avid community. This is a major campaign from a marketing perspective- regardless of the feature set. Editors don't get better than Murch. What an endorsement!

-C

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 12:01 PM

Murch was one of the first to use Avid (read about it in the latest version of his classic book on editing, "Blink of an Eye") and I remember him talking about it when Cold Mountain was coming out in 02 or 03.

I loved the demos they showed of FCS 2 at NAB 2007 when David Fincher was talking about it. AWESOME!

Heath

Michael Liebergot July 23rd, 2009 12:02 PM

In case noone has seen this already, Ripple Training ahs already posted some tutorials.
Ripple Training

I found a few things interesting.
For one, I am finally a happy camper when it comes to speed changes and working in FCP.
Now I can apply speed changes and NOT ripple my timeline. Bout frick'n time. I have missed this sverly since leaveing Sony Veags.
Not to mention, I like the streamlined speed changes work flow.

I am curios though if the speed changes, especially in slow motion are improved, as I have never been pleased with slow motion from FCP, as it was never smooth. So I found myself exporting to Motion and using the Optical Flow for the change. But it is very time consuming to do this.

I also think people should take a look at the tutorial on BluRay burning directly form FCP.
I am able to see why Apple didn't bother integrating BluRay into DVDSP. As it seems one can now, go to export> share, and then select BluRay for delivery options. From there you can select from some templates or insert your own backgrounds and logos.

Granted it's not nearly as customizable as creating a BluRay from scratch, but seems to be very quick and efficient with ones time.

We'll have to wait and see what the results are, but I do like the quick and simple work flow.

Greg Penetrante July 23rd, 2009 12:04 PM

D'oh!
 
I am not sure if these annoyances have been fixed or not...

1. When batch digitizing, FCP fails to relink each clip instead waiting until the whole batch is done. Problem is when/if one aborts the batch digitize, all clips to that point become lost/unlinked.

2. Project based scratch disks. C'mon, Apple!

;-)

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 12:08 PM

I get questionable slo-mo if I use progressive (24p, 25p or 30p), which is why I'll shoot in 60i or 50i (if slo-mo in the camera isn't available) and do slo-mo in post.

Besides, I've always seen a drop in quality when doing slow- and fast-motion in FCP. But I don't see it as much with HD vs. SD.

Heath

Michael Liebergot July 23rd, 2009 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight (Post 1175535)
I get questionable slo-mo if I use progressive (24p, 25p or 30p), which is why I'll shoot in 60i or 50i (if slo-mo in the camera isn't available) and do slo-mo in post.

Besides, I've always seen a drop in quality when doing slow- and fast-motion in FCP. But I don't see it as much with HD vs. SD.

Heath

The problem I have had is when using 60i footage the image seems to develop a slight strobe trailing effect to the moving image. Especially moderate to faster moving motion, like someone doing a lunge walk while exercising.

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 12:16 PM

Hmmmm... what are you shooting on?

Years ago, I did some 60i work on the XL1 and slowed it down by exactly half in Final Cut Pro 1 (this is about 9-10 years ago), and I could literally see a quality drop. Then again, interlace has less overall resolution than progressive, but trying to do slo-mo with progressive video never looks good for me.

Heath

Michael Liebergot July 23rd, 2009 12:22 PM

I am shooting on Sony FX1's in HDV or SD widescreen.
I have found that if I make the speed exactly 50% then the slow motion looks better. But obviously I don't want all of my slow motion to be at 50%, so anything other than 50% looks poor by my standards. As trailing artifacts appear as the subject moves.

When I use motion and Optical Flow, the image looks great at any speed.
But the frame blending in FCP leaves much, for me, to be desired.

Robert Lane July 23rd, 2009 12:42 PM

- Media "Mangler" didn't get fixed or updated, just added "render tabs".
- No Blu-Ray authoring, just "customized" single menus and tracks-only just as what Toast offers.
- Still no native drag-and-drop compatibility for P2, XDCAM 422, AVC-Intra or RED (Apple claims "native" capabilities but when you read the specs you still have to use Log & Transfer to transcode). Both Avid and Edius has had drag-and-drop for most of these formats for over 2 years now.

This isn't a revamped version of the FC suite at all, in fact it's exactly what many of us were praying *wouldn't* happen, that all we'd get would be tweaked features and a set of new plug-ins. I'm not only not impressed I'm seriously disappointed.

Is it worth upgrading from FCS2? Absolutely not. Should someone considering which edit suite to start out with get FCS3 vs. Adobe Production Premium or something Windows based? I'm inclined to think that Adobe PP will soon surpass FCS - if Apple stays this snails-pace course of product development.

So Apple goes overboard to give the iPhone video editing capabilities, but can't even give their pro users BR authoring. Gee, thanks.

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 12:52 PM

Hey Michael,

Maybe we should start a new topic about slo-mo in FCP.

Heath

Scott Cassie July 23rd, 2009 01:08 PM

Anyone notice that Apple haven't actually called it Final Cut Studio 3? Just Final Cut Studio. I printed off the pdf file on the new software - it's 32-bit.

My hunch is that they will release another version of this final cut studio after snow leopard comes out - final cut studio 64 or something like that. Seems this new version won't fully take advantage of the forthcoming new operating system. I reckon that's why the upgrade price is so palatable.

It's more of an update than an upgrade - bet it won't be another two years before the next final cut release - I'd say less than 12 months!

Winfried Dobbe July 23rd, 2009 01:10 PM

@Robert Lane:

Did you ever edit a serious project with Premiere?
Features is not all. Stability and workflow is more important.
Not to mention that Adobe charges a ridiculous 2260 euro here in Europe. And then you still have to buy the Cineform coded for a fast HD experience.

I switched to Mac two years ago and never regretted.

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 01:14 PM

Good point, Scott. Perhaps it will be like FCP 4.5 (HD) which was a free major update for existing users (if I'm not mistaken) in 2004.

Or just an update via Software Update. I hope I don't have to mail in my disks like 5.0 to 5.1, but that was a great update and not just for Intel users, but it had more support for HDV cameras, if I remember correctly.

Heath

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Cassie (Post 1175576)
Anyone notice that Apple haven't actually called it Final Cut Studio 3? Just Final Cut Studio. I printed off the pdf file on the new software - it's 32-bit.

My hunch is that they will release another version of this final cut studio after snow leopard comes out - final cut studio 64 or something like that. Seems this new version won't fully take advantage of the forthcoming new operating system. I reckon that's why the upgrade price is so palatable.

It's more of an update than an upgrade - bet it won't be another two years before the next final cut release - I'd say less than 12 months!


Joachim Hoge July 23rd, 2009 01:45 PM

I really like the iChat theatre support. I often work with a director based in Paris and when doing rough cuts I have had to post compressed clips on my web page or iDisk for him to look at. Very time consuming for small changes.
If this works like I imagine it will be a great help to me

Heath McKnight July 23rd, 2009 01:57 PM

Easy Export which will export and do renders in the background is probably my biggest wish list item for FCP:

Apple - Final Cut Studio

"Delivery to your Apple devices, the web, and disc is just a click away. Choose your output format in the Share window, then keep working while your projects are rendered, compressed, and even published to the web in the background.

Use this convenient feature to export your file to iTunes for syncing with iPod, iPhone, and Apple TV; publish to YouTube or MobileMe;1 or burn a Blu-ray disc2 or a DVD, with a choice of Apple-designed menu templates. You can also create custom presets in Compressor for use in the Share window."

Heath


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