MBP ....... workflow / data structure? at DVinfo.net

Josh Fung · June 8th, 2010, 05:28 AM

Hi there... getting my new macbook pro i7 17" soon and want to set this up properly this time!

Since my MBP (7200rpm 500G) has only 1 harddrive..

1. Should I set scratch disk on the system drive?
2. or create partition and put all media files on the partition (i've heard a tech guy say partitions are no longer recommended for this, as it slows things down)
3. How about scratch disk on external hard drives?
3a. Which way for external HDD?
3a1 - FW800 Raid 0? WD does one called MyBook Studio edition 4TB
3a2 - ESATA? via expresscard adapter?
3a3 - Apiotek has a USB3 to expresscard adapter... mabe get a USB3 enclosure?

How are your guys projects / media organised?

I saw one video recommending resetting scratch folders to each new project you create, and another telling me to use the same scratch folder all the time............

Confused..arrrghhhh.

William Hohauser · June 8th, 2010, 04:25 PM

Answers by number:

1) Avoid using the system drive for a scratch disk unless forced by circumstance.

2) Don't bother with partitions.

3) External drive yes! Especially for desktop editing. On that topic, don't go for less than FireWire 800. RAID is nice but not necessary for a lot of work. Think about what formats you'll work with and then apply that to the level of drive you need. Same for eSATA, nice but not needed for HD. USB3? Don't even try it until some reviews come in. FireWire and SATA are proven.

Josh Fung · June 8th, 2010, 04:35 PM

Thanks alot for the reply!

Mainly work with XHA1 HDV footage, and 5D Mark II footage converted to prores LT 1920x1080 25p....

How should your scratch folder be organised?

Option 1.
Set scratch on external firewire drive, Final Cut Pro Documents, and use this every single time,

Option 2.
Set a scratch folder each time you start a new project, so that all render, media, thumbnail, raw capture footage is all in one folder??

William Hohauser · June 8th, 2010, 08:43 PM

You might want to do that if you have (or plan to have) a drive per project. Otherwise FCP captures each project into it's own folders already separate from other projects.

Josh Fung · June 8th, 2010, 11:58 PM

Thanks William

I think what I meant was for each "project folder" to contain all the media, project files, render files, thumbnail files....... in one folder. So that all the links are there should I need to switch computers.

Decided on a pleiades 500GB 7200rpm FW800 2.5 inch instead...

I Think it'll be enough for my on the run applications.

Get a larger 3.5 one later just for backups.

Chuck Fadely · June 13th, 2010, 09:21 PM

Where to keep your project media files is a question of workflow.

If I'm working on a major project at home and want to be able to transfer it among computers, I set everything from that project to one folder.

On the other hand, if I'm doing daily news production at work, I'm more concerned with being able to free up space when needed - so I have one capture scratch folder that all the daily stuff goes into. That way I can delete the capture files but still have the project intact if I need to re-capture.

But always, an external or secondary drive.

Nigel Barker · June 15th, 2010, 02:18 AM

Another option to add a disk drive is to replace the internal DVD with one of these & the disk drive of your choice MCE OptiBay Hard Drive and SSD Drive for MacBook Pro, MacBook, PowerBook G4, and Mac mini

Robert Lane · June 16th, 2010, 10:42 PM

Josh,

Here's a setup guide that will give you options for any Mac configuration you start off with:

How to Setup your Computer for Video Editing | Go-Go-Godzilla.com

Sherif Choudhry · June 28th, 2010, 07:48 AM

Robert, the URL ends in error message - cant find the page.
S.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Lane

Josh,

Here's a setup guide that will give you options for any Mac configuration you start off with:

How to Setup your Computer for Video Editing | Go-Go-Godzilla.com

Robert Lane · June 28th, 2010, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sherif Choudhry

Robert, the URL ends in error message - cant find the page.
S.

That blog has been migrated to a new one, here's the new link to that article:

Grumpy Quail: Setting up your Computer for HD Video Editing

Sherif Choudhry · June 28th, 2010, 11:54 AM

Thanks Robert. Very helpful article.

I have a "phase 1" macbook pro - ie only 1 internal HDD and 1 external HDD 7200rpm

- OS and applications/programs on internal drive

the rest i have on the external HD - so far I have had no issues as I only ever have 2 streams of video max - and around 4-6 audio streams - so I guess my setup works but for only the "simplest" of video projects.

- MEDIA FILES on external HDD
- AUTOSAVE AND CACHE on external HDD
- RENDER FILES on external HDD
- PROJECT FILE on external HDD

Sherif

June 8th, 2010, 05:28 AM	#1
Josh Fung Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 81	MBP ....... workflow / data structure? Hi there... getting my new macbook pro i7 17" soon and want to set this up properly this time! Since my MBP (7200rpm 500G) has only 1 harddrive.. 1. Should I set scratch disk on the system drive? 2. or create partition and put all media files on the partition (i've heard a tech guy say partitions are no longer recommended for this, as it slows things down) 3. How about scratch disk on external hard drives? 3a. Which way for external HDD? 3a1 - FW800 Raid 0? WD does one called MyBook Studio edition 4TB 3a2 - ESATA? via expresscard adapter? 3a3 - Apiotek has a USB3 to expresscard adapter... mabe get a USB3 enclosure? How are your guys projects / media organised? I saw one video recommending resetting scratch folders to each new project you create, and another telling me to use the same scratch folder all the time............ Confused..arrrghhhh.

June 8th, 2010, 04:25 PM	#2
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	Answers by number: 1) Avoid using the system drive for a scratch disk unless forced by circumstance. 2) Don't bother with partitions. 3) External drive yes! Especially for desktop editing. On that topic, don't go for less than FireWire 800. RAID is nice but not necessary for a lot of work. Think about what formats you'll work with and then apply that to the level of drive you need. Same for eSATA, nice but not needed for HD. USB3? Don't even try it until some reviews come in. FireWire and SATA are proven. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation Last edited by William Hohauser; June 8th, 2010 at 08:40 PM.

June 8th, 2010, 08:43 PM	#4
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	You might want to do that if you have (or plan to have) a drive per project. Otherwise FCP captures each project into it's own folders already separate from other projects. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

June 16th, 2010, 10:42 PM	#8
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,788 Images: 15	Josh, Here's a setup guide that will give you options for any Mac configuration you start off with: How to Setup your Computer for Video Editing \| Go-Go-Godzilla.com __________________ Robert Lane Producer/Creator - Bike Pilots TV

June 8th, 2010, 04:35 PM	#3
Josh Fung Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 81	Thanks alot for the reply! Mainly work with XHA1 HDV footage, and 5D Mark II footage converted to prores LT 1920x1080 25p.... How should your scratch folder be organised? Option 1. Set scratch on external firewire drive, Final Cut Pro Documents, and use this every single time, Option 2. Set a scratch folder each time you start a new project, so that all render, media, thumbnail, raw capture footage is all in one folder??

June 8th, 2010, 11:58 PM	#5
Josh Fung Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 81	Thanks William I think what I meant was for each "project folder" to contain all the media, project files, render files, thumbnail files....... in one folder. So that all the links are there should I need to switch computers. Decided on a pleiades 500GB 7200rpm FW800 2.5 inch instead... I Think it'll be enough for my on the run applications. Get a larger 3.5 one later just for backups.

June 13th, 2010, 09:21 PM	#6
Chuck Fadely Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: United States Posts: 306	Where to keep your project media files is a question of workflow. If I'm working on a major project at home and want to be able to transfer it among computers, I set everything from that project to one folder. On the other hand, if I'm doing daily news production at work, I'm more concerned with being able to free up space when needed - so I have one capture scratch folder that all the daily stuff goes into. That way I can delete the capture files but still have the project intact if I need to re-capture. But always, an external or secondary drive.

June 15th, 2010, 02:18 AM	#7
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Another option to add a disk drive is to replace the internal DVD with one of these & the disk drive of your choice MCE OptiBay Hard Drive and SSD Drive for MacBook Pro, MacBook, PowerBook G4, and Mac mini

June 28th, 2010, 11:54 AM	#11
Sherif Choudhry Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 222	Thanks Robert. Very helpful article. I have a "phase 1" macbook pro - ie only 1 internal HDD and 1 external HDD 7200rpm - OS and applications/programs on internal drive the rest i have on the external HD - so far I have had no issues as I only ever have 2 streams of video max - and around 4-6 audio streams - so I guess my setup works but for only the "simplest" of video projects. - MEDIA FILES on external HDD - AUTOSAVE AND CACHE on external HDD - RENDER FILES on external HDD - PROJECT FILE on external HDD Sherif