Import VHS into FC for editing at DVinfo.net

Paul Cronin · November 15th, 2010, 11:49 AM

I have 6 VHS tapes that need to be put on a timeline in FC.

Running FC 6.0.6.
Have Intensity Pro card (first try this did not work)
Use MPEG Streamclip but not sure how to get it there.

I am sure this is not that hard it is just my first run. If anyone knows of a quick way to import VHS into FC I am all ears..

Charlie Branham · November 15th, 2010, 12:03 PM

Paul, one way to do it is to use a stand alone dvd recorder, usually around 100.00. transfer to dvd, then use dvdxdv to rip to quicktime movie, pretty fast rip and then you have a exact copy on dvd and one for time line. If you use intensity pro you have to be sure your preferences in final cut pro are set correctly to capture using the card. Also preferences in mac os.

Charlie

Paul R Johnson · November 15th, 2010, 01:16 PM

I've got an old S-VHS deck with firewire that I keep for just this use - Sometimes those combined DV/SVHS ones come up on ebay with worn out mechanisms on the DV side, and these are often really cheap.

Paul Cronin · November 15th, 2010, 01:49 PM

Thanks for the response guys. I don't have a DVD recorder except on my computers.

Paul sounds like a nice option.

For now I will put this one hold and see what I can find.

William Hohauser · November 15th, 2010, 02:01 PM

It should work with your Intensity Pro card. Otherwise, do you have an old DV camera with video inputs?

Paul Cronin · November 15th, 2010, 02:09 PM

William I can't seem to get it to work with my Intensity Pro Card. Tried for an hours with no luck. Have you had luck doing this with the Intensity Pro Card?

Battle Vaughan · November 15th, 2010, 03:51 PM

If you're going to do a lot of this, you might invest in an analog/digital converter. I have used the big brother of this unit to convert vhs to editable digital :

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/349146-REG/Grass_Valley_602029_ADVC_110_Bidirectional_Media_Converter.html

Paul Cronin · November 15th, 2010, 04:20 PM

Thanks for the link Battle but this is a one time thing. So far no luck but still have some options.

William Hohauser · November 15th, 2010, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

William I can't seem to get it to work with my Intensity Pro Card. Tried for an hours with no luck. Have you had luck doing this with the Intensity Pro Card?

Sorry, no. It is touted as possible with the card as advertised. Send Blackmagic Designs an e-mail, they have a good reputation for being helpful.

Paul Cronin · November 15th, 2010, 04:46 PM

William I will send them and email.

Kevin Spahr · November 15th, 2010, 06:06 PM

A lot of old DV and Hi8 camcorders would have a place to plug your vcr video and audio (rca jacks) into the camcorder and you could feed the signal into the camcorder and then out through the camcorders firewire port and into FCP. On some camcorders you would have to open the tape compartment to get this to work, others could be done through the camcorder menu. FCP will not be able to control things so you set it up to work in manual mode I think it's call no firewire control or something like that. The signal should get recorded as DV in FCP (720x480).

It works OK maybe not as well as a dedicated card but if you have a camcorder laying around give it a try.

The only real problem I had was when the VHS tape had a lot of stops and starts. First the VHS machine would have to resync, then the camcorder has to resync, and you can loose a good bit of footage after every break in the VHS tape. The audio can get out of sync with the video when this happens. There was one tape of a friends wedding I tried to transfer and the person running the camera had constantly started and stopped the tape - it was a lost cause...

good luck!

Bill Davis · November 15th, 2010, 06:07 PM

Paul,

What you want is the Black Magic Video Recorder.

One end plugs into any USB port on your computer. You load the accompanying software and it turns that USB port into a direct video IN port. On the other end of the dongle are analog inputs via RCA connectors for stereo audio and RGB video - which means you also can input simple composite video using just one of the connectors.

You can single step translate any analog video from any old VHS player you have around into a nicely digitized H-264 stream in full DV resolution in a single capture step.

Works very well and is very easy to use.

Charlie Branham · November 15th, 2010, 06:59 PM

Paul, I have a jvc dual mini/dv-Super VHS recorder. I had all intentions of selling it, just been lazy. Model number HR-DVS3U. Let me know if this would work for you. Does mini dv & VHS. Analog & firewire.

Charlie

Paul Cronin · November 16th, 2010, 08:40 AM

Kevin, Bill, Charlie, thanks for the input.

I tried my Dazzle Digital Video Creator 90 on my old PC with Pinnacle and it did not work. Since I have a whole box of 8mm and Hi 8mm tapes that I would like to grab some clips from for the same production, I think I will pick up an old Hi 8mm camera. This will serve well for VHS through, and grabbing some clips off the old tapes.

Been a long time since I had a tape camera. I never hold on to any gear that is not making money, I move it out quickly.

R Geoff Baker · November 16th, 2010, 11:22 AM

Note that if you use a Digital 8 as your playback device, it will do an in-camera conversion to digital of your analog tapes, if I recall correctly. So playback of either 8 or Hi8 will give you a Firewire output of DV ... check that, as it's been a long time since I've seen a D-8 but I think that's what they offered.

As we speak I've got a BetaSP tape playing off an ancient PVW-2600 through my old but not ancient PD-150 to feed the Firewire input of my Macbook Pro ... quick & decent way to get some old SP tapes into a new project.

Cheers,
GB

November 15th, 2010, 11:49 AM	#1
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Import VHS into FC for editing I have 6 VHS tapes that need to be put on a timeline in FC. Running FC 6.0.6. Have Intensity Pro card (first try this did not work) Use MPEG Streamclip but not sure how to get it there. I am sure this is not that hard it is just my first run. If anyone knows of a quick way to import VHS into FC I am all ears.. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 15th, 2010, 12:03 PM	#2
Charlie Branham Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lexington SC Posts: 76	vhs tapes Paul, one way to do it is to use a stand alone dvd recorder, usually around 100.00. transfer to dvd, then use dvdxdv to rip to quicktime movie, pretty fast rip and then you have a exact copy on dvd and one for time line. If you use intensity pro you have to be sure your preferences in final cut pro are set correctly to capture using the card. Also preferences in mac os. Charlie

November 15th, 2010, 01:49 PM	#4
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Thanks for the response guys. I don't have a DVD recorder except on my computers. Paul sounds like a nice option. For now I will put this one hold and see what I can find. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 15th, 2010, 02:01 PM	#5
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	It should work with your Intensity Pro card. Otherwise, do you have an old DV camera with video inputs? __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

November 15th, 2010, 02:09 PM	#6
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	William I can't seem to get it to work with my Intensity Pro Card. Tried for an hours with no luck. Have you had luck doing this with the Intensity Pro Card? __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 15th, 2010, 01:16 PM	#3
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,015	I've got an old S-VHS deck with firewire that I keep for just this use - Sometimes those combined DV/SVHS ones come up on ebay with worn out mechanisms on the DV side, and these are often really cheap.

November 15th, 2010, 03:51 PM	#7
Battle Vaughan Trustee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami, FL USA Posts: 1,505	If you're going to do a lot of this, you might invest in an analog/digital converter. I have used the big brother of this unit to convert vhs to editable digital : http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/349146-REG/Grass_Valley_602029_ADVC_110_Bidirectional_Media_Converter.html

November 15th, 2010, 04:20 PM	#8
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Thanks for the link Battle but this is a one time thing. So far no luck but still have some options. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 15th, 2010, 04:46 PM	#10
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	William I will send them and email. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 15th, 2010, 06:06 PM	#11
Kevin Spahr Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Carlisle, PA Posts: 451	A lot of old DV and Hi8 camcorders would have a place to plug your vcr video and audio (rca jacks) into the camcorder and you could feed the signal into the camcorder and then out through the camcorders firewire port and into FCP. On some camcorders you would have to open the tape compartment to get this to work, others could be done through the camcorder menu. FCP will not be able to control things so you set it up to work in manual mode I think it's call no firewire control or something like that. The signal should get recorded as DV in FCP (720x480). It works OK maybe not as well as a dedicated card but if you have a camcorder laying around give it a try. The only real problem I had was when the VHS tape had a lot of stops and starts. First the VHS machine would have to resync, then the camcorder has to resync, and you can loose a good bit of footage after every break in the VHS tape. The audio can get out of sync with the video when this happens. There was one tape of a friends wedding I tried to transfer and the person running the camera had constantly started and stopped the tape - it was a lost cause... good luck!

November 15th, 2010, 06:07 PM	#12
Bill Davis Trustee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Posts: 1,538	Paul, What you want is the Black Magic Video Recorder. One end plugs into any USB port on your computer. You load the accompanying software and it turns that USB port into a direct video IN port. On the other end of the dongle are analog inputs via RCA connectors for stereo audio and RGB video - which means you also can input simple composite video using just one of the connectors. You can single step translate any analog video from any old VHS player you have around into a nicely digitized H-264 stream in full DV resolution in a single capture step. Works very well and is very easy to use. __________________ Classroom editing instructor? Check out www.starteditingnow.com Turnkey editor training content including licensed training footage for classroom use.

November 15th, 2010, 06:59 PM	#13
Charlie Branham Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lexington SC Posts: 76	Jvc Recorder Paul, I have a jvc dual mini/dv-Super VHS recorder. I had all intentions of selling it, just been lazy. Model number HR-DVS3U. Let me know if this would work for you. Does mini dv & VHS. Analog & firewire. Charlie

November 16th, 2010, 08:40 AM	#14
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Kevin, Bill, Charlie, thanks for the input. I tried my Dazzle Digital Video Creator 90 on my old PC with Pinnacle and it did not work. Since I have a whole box of 8mm and Hi 8mm tapes that I would like to grab some clips from for the same production, I think I will pick up an old Hi 8mm camera. This will serve well for VHS through, and grabbing some clips off the old tapes. Been a long time since I had a tape camera. I never hold on to any gear that is not making money, I move it out quickly. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

November 16th, 2010, 11:22 AM	#15
R Geoff Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 471	Note that if you use a Digital 8 as your playback device, it will do an in-camera conversion to digital of your analog tapes, if I recall correctly. So playback of either 8 or Hi8 will give you a Firewire output of DV ... check that, as it's been a long time since I've seen a D-8 but I think that's what they offered. As we speak I've got a BetaSP tape playing off an ancient PVW-2600 through my old but not ancient PD-150 to feed the Firewire input of my Macbook Pro ... quick & decent way to get some old SP tapes into a new project. Cheers, GB