FCP Workflow/Tape Based? at DVinfo.net

Bruce Meyers · January 5th, 2006, 09:22 PM

Does one exist yet? Has anyone shot any projects with this? Forgive my impudence but I'm not entirely sure of the recording medium, yes I have searched around these forums but have many much a do about esoteric things and less emphasis on the fundamental queries: I purr - How does one edit with this camera? Is a Final Cut Pro workflow available? Does this record to tape? I heard that in order to capture one must buy a special deck, for what resolutions, for full HD yes? You can in theory capture HDV 1080p HDV? Over firewire? The recording medium, is tape based yes? MiniDV? This camera is far surperior than the HD100? Does it do TRUE 24p recording as the HD100 boasts? I apologize sincerely but for all my searchings, I've found few answers. Perhaps someone kind and patient enough could shed light on this subject for all, including myself to see.

Many thanks and apologies,

Mr. Meyers

Chris Hurd · January 6th, 2006, 08:30 AM

Not to discourage anyone else from answering, but you're asking a lot of questions in one post, and most if not all of them have been answered here many times before. Just spend a little more time going through this forum, especially the earlier threads, and dig right in.

Ronan Fournier · January 6th, 2006, 08:49 AM

Yes the XL-H1 should work fine with FCP 5, via Firewire on miniDV tape (no need for a special deck in HDV format (only with the HD-SDI 4.2.2 output) on a bi-G5. No it's not true 24p.

Shannon Rawls · January 6th, 2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Meyers

Does it do TRUE 24p recording ...?

Ronan is incorrect. yes, it does exactly as you say.

- ShannonRawls.com

Ronan Fournier · January 6th, 2006, 11:59 AM

I'm sorry if I made a mistake. I though he was speaking about 24F wich not means true 1080p.

Mathieu Ghekiere · January 6th, 2006, 12:04 PM

IT's more something in between... It's not fully progressive (you loose a bit of resolution because the CCD's aren't progressive) but it looks the same as 24p.

(Or am I incorrect too with this?)

Shannon Rawls · January 6th, 2006, 12:10 PM

*lord have mercy*
Guys, all he asked was does it do a true 24p recording. Those were his words.

He didn't ask how or what it looks like, if it loses resolution, what it scans, if it cooks breakfast, if it massages your feet at night or any other things you guys are throwing into the answer.

He is speaking on 24F and it is a FULLY PROGRESSIVE 24 frame per second recording. Which is what we call 24p.

- ShannonRawls.com

John Benton · January 6th, 2006, 12:10 PM

or you can hook up a Firestore to the H1 correct?
so you don't have to digitize and it is slightly better quALITY than off tape?

Vero?

I am soooo on the fence between the Xl H1 and the HVX200
Ugh

Shannon Rawls · January 6th, 2006, 12:19 PM

John,

The quality you get on Firestore is identical to what you get on tape. bit for bit.

Remember, this is all DIGITAL. Forget what you learned about VHS tapes of the 80's. *smile* Those are analog. MiniDV tapes and other tapes for DV cameras is more-or-less a 'harddrive' for all intents and purposes. They record 1's & 0's, so when you transfer it to a computer, the quality remains the same. It NEVER degrades or suffers from generational loss like Hi8 for instance.

Therefore, using a Firestore is an advantage because it's already on a hard drive. We like to use the term 'digitize' when speakig of capturing footage from a DV camera, but that's a bad term to use. We carried that over from along time ago. You aren't actually "digitizing" anything, because it's already 'digitized'. You are simply "TRANSFERING" your digital footage from a digital tape to a digital hard drive. no more, no less. Think of all your MiniDV tapes as little $4 dollar hard drives. *smile*

And please, get off the fence...you may hurt yourself.

Let the way you like to shoot be your determining factor.
Let your specific project requirement be your determining factor.
Let the picture quality be your determining factor.
Let your client and what they want & need be your determining factor.

Once you know that....you won't hurt your jewels on that fence your straddling. *smile*

- ShannonRawls.com

Heath McKnight · January 6th, 2006, 12:34 PM

This is in regards to the XL H1.

heath

January 5th, 2006, 09:22 PM	#1
Bruce Meyers Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Maldives Posts: 97	FCP Workflow/Tape Based? Does one exist yet? Has anyone shot any projects with this? Forgive my impudence but I'm not entirely sure of the recording medium, yes I have searched around these forums but have many much a do about esoteric things and less emphasis on the fundamental queries: I purr - How does one edit with this camera? Is a Final Cut Pro workflow available? Does this record to tape? I heard that in order to capture one must buy a special deck, for what resolutions, for full HD yes? You can in theory capture HDV 1080p HDV? Over firewire? The recording medium, is tape based yes? MiniDV? This camera is far surperior than the HD100? Does it do TRUE 24p recording as the HD100 boasts? I apologize sincerely but for all my searchings, I've found few answers. Perhaps someone kind and patient enough could shed light on this subject for all, including myself to see. Many thanks and apologies, Mr. Meyers

January 6th, 2006, 08:30 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Not to discourage anyone else from answering, but you're asking a lot of questions in one post, and most if not all of them have been answered here many times before. Just spend a little more time going through this forum, especially the earlier threads, and dig right in. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 6th, 2006, 08:49 AM	#3
Ronan Fournier Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paris, France Posts: 201	Quick answers Yes the XL-H1 should work fine with FCP 5, via Firewire on miniDV tape (no need for a special deck in HDV format (only with the HD-SDI 4.2.2 output) on a bi-G5. No it's not true 24p. __________________ http://www.songesdemoai.com/

January 6th, 2006, 11:59 AM	#5
Ronan Fournier Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paris, France Posts: 201	I'm sorry if I made a mistake. I though he was speaking about 24F wich not means true 1080p. __________________ http://www.songesdemoai.com/

January 6th, 2006, 12:10 PM	#7
Shannon Rawls Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 853	lord have mercy Guys, all he asked was does it do a true 24p recording. Those were his words. He didn't ask how or what it looks like, if it loses resolution, what it scans, if it cooks breakfast, if it massages your feet at night or any other things you guys are throwing into the answer. He is speaking on 24F and it is a FULLY PROGRESSIVE 24 frame per second recording. Which is what we call 24p. - ShannonRawls.com __________________ Shannon W. Rawls ~ Motion Picture Producer & huge advocate of Digital Acquisition.

January 6th, 2006, 12:04 PM	#6
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	IT's more something in between... It's not fully progressive (you loose a bit of resolution because the CCD's aren't progressive) but it looks the same as 24p. (Or am I incorrect too with this?)

January 6th, 2006, 12:10 PM	#8
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	or you can hook up a Firestore to the H1 correct? so you don't have to digitize and it is slightly better quALITY than off tape? Vero? I am soooo on the fence between the Xl H1 and the HVX200 Ugh

January 6th, 2006, 12:19 PM	#9
Shannon Rawls Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 853	John, The quality you get on Firestore is identical to what you get on tape. bit for bit. Remember, this is all DIGITAL. Forget what you learned about VHS tapes of the 80's. smile Those are analog. MiniDV tapes and other tapes for DV cameras is more-or-less a 'harddrive' for all intents and purposes. They record 1's & 0's, so when you transfer it to a computer, the quality remains the same. It NEVER degrades or suffers from generational loss like Hi8 for instance. Therefore, using a Firestore is an advantage because it's already on a hard drive. We like to use the term 'digitize' when speakig of capturing footage from a DV camera, but that's a bad term to use. We carried that over from along time ago. You aren't actually "digitizing" anything, because it's already 'digitized'. You are simply "TRANSFERING" your digital footage from a digital tape to a digital hard drive. no more, no less. Think of all your MiniDV tapes as little $4 dollar hard drives. smile And please, get off the fence...you may hurt yourself. Let the way you like to shoot be your determining factor. Let your specific project requirement be your determining factor. Let the picture quality be your determining factor. Let your client and what they want & need be your determining factor. Once you know that....you won't hurt your jewels on that fence your straddling. smile - ShannonRawls.com __________________ Shannon W. Rawls ~ Motion Picture Producer & huge advocate of Digital Acquisition.

January 6th, 2006, 12:34 PM	#10
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	This is in regards to the XL H1. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog