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Anyone Successfully Capture 720p24? How?
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I have been trying to get a clear answer on this. I have found on these forums that there are people like me who are having clips cut into bits and media lost when they try and capture 24p. I have tried using the AIC codec and it doesn't seem to work? Unless I am setting something up wrong. I am using final cut 5.1.2 I am trying to capture from the JVC BR-HD50 (bought after needed firmware update so it is latest model) Shot on JVC GY-HD110U in 720p 24fps Using firewire 23.98 hdv to get info from deck to computer (found this setting from another thread) Is this a problem I have to wait for Apple to fix? Or is there a fix that does not involve making a .m2t file? Thanks, Sharon |
I can only comment on capturing from JVC HD100, but I have had no problems capturing 24p material from the camera itself with FCP. I too am running 5.1.2.
I just used the easy setup for 24p HDV and that was that. mg |
I've had this problem just this week with 30 fps as well so it apparently isn't limited to 24P. I have FCP set to "create new clips" with TC change but it breaks up contiguous clips repeatedly.
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I have turned off any abort boxes and I have turned off making clips. Still this doesn't seem to work. I have read every thread that pertaining to this problem...and I am still confused as to the fact whether or not this is my fault or something Apple has to fix. Has anyone contacted Apple?
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Hi,
Here is a simple check list that I copied and pasted from Carl Hicks (JVC Rep) when I asked him the same thing. Final Cut Pro works perfectly with the GY-HD110U, as long as these things are true: 1. You are using version FCP 5.1.2 2. You are using the right "Easy Setup" . Choose the HDV720/P30 or HDV720/P24 Easy Set-up 3. The fire wire port is working on the camera and on the MAC. Firewire ports are fragile, and can be blown out if the cable is plugged in or unplugged with the camera or MAC power on, or by flipping the "DV/HDV" switch with the power on. 4. The fire wire cable is good 5. Does your MAC recognize the camera when it connected? If not, then you may have a bad firewire port on the camera or the MAC. 6. Are you pushing the button on the camera to put it into the VTR mode? If that doesn't work, could be you're using an inferior tape. Chris |
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If this is happeneing to you you should contact JVC tech support and send them your tape so they can verify. I was not aware of this happening since the firmware upgrade last winter. My captures usually go fine. |
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It could still be a tape issue but in my experiences, the JVC MDV63PROHD tape does nothing to help the problem. I think it should also be noted that these gaps rarely happen at the same spot on re capture. If these were small tape drops outs then I would expect them to appear at the same spots. That is just my assumption. What is odd, fcp usually captures the entire clip if it was shot in sd. Because of this issue, I have been shooting all of my events in sd and custom jobs in hd. I would much rather shoot and edit everything in hd but the effort and mess of recapturing filler to join each clip is just too time consuming. |
I was digitising recently into FCP and my refrigerator turned itself on next door in the kitchen. This generated a new clip! (either that or the computer just happened to create a new clp in the middle of the shot right at the moment the fridge turned on....). So maybe the system is incredibly sensitive to little things like changes in voltages etc. and as a safety measure always starts a new clip?
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I changed my workflow to use HDVSCap + MPEG Streamclip and there is no problem with that. The whole tape is ingested without loss of data or timecode breaks. Apparently it's an issue wirth FCP. |
Does this mean that fcp 5.1.2 cannot properly batch capture 24p hdv?
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I've been under the impression that digitizing analog or HDMI out of the H50U via Decklink or Kona solves this problem. I'm buidling my HD suite and have been looking hard at the Decklink Studio which boasts HDMI and component analog inputs.
Can anyone confirm that passing firewire will solve the file problem? |
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This is real disappointing. For as long as Apple made us wait for the update you think they could have got it right. I shot my daughters hockey game on Saturday (24p) and when I went to capture it today, FCP created a new clip every time the camera was restarted (I stopped shooting when play was stopped). I wouldn’t mind so much about the segmented new clips but the fact that it cuts out the first seven seconds of each clip really blows. You lose so much of the flow of the game. JVC should really put the screws to Apple and make them fix this problem. It cut a 40 minute game into 50 clips. Divide that by 7 seconds of lost tape, I lost almost 6 minutes of the game!
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For things where starting and stopping is not a problem, I got into the habit a very long time ago shooting with betaSP to start rolling a good 5 -10 secs before anything happened. its just plain good shooting to work that way. in the betaSP days you needed to be sure to have 5 secs for preroll, especially if you where in free run TC. I see shooting the HD100 no differently, and always roll at least 10secs. I usually start rolling while bringing the camera up to my eye or just roughing in the framing so its not big deal, just a habit you have to learn to get into. given how cheap tape is, no reason not to. what every one is complaining about is that during single long takes, FCP is breaking shots up. thats teh real problem. I've got 20-30 minute long takes from interviews and FCP has been messing up, in 30P. I'm finding its CPU dependent - slow machines have problems. Steve Oakley |
Steve,
I won’t argue with you that one should keep the camera rolling when shooting a sporting event, but my daughter is only 7 and she plays on a “Mite team”. They take longer getting everyone into position then they actually play the game! Which is the primary reason for starting and stopping. And while I did pre-roll prior to the puck being dropped, FCP still seams to arbitrarily decide on its own what and where it wants to capture, including cutting up longer clips as you stated. Don’t get me wrong I love Apple and my JVC, but when I think of the amount of money that I spent upgrading from my not so old system to my current HD system, it drives me nuts! When you consider camera, deck, computer, software, HD monitors, etc…, you’re looking at $20k. If people bought a new car for that much money and it worked half the time, they would be pounding the doors of their dealers demanding refunds or a complete recall. I keep looking at my FCP box, “native support for virtually any format” and, “edit 24p natively” and I keep thinking that wasn’t even true at the time I bought the upgrade. Lets face it they lied and they’ve been playing catch-up ever since! I know it’s new technology, but it just shouldn’t be this hard…and I guess that’s why I’m disappointed. Carlos |
Out of curiosity,
Does the hard drive option with for the JVC camera give you 10 sec (or so) preroll recording? I use DVRack and this does, though obviously is a bit more of a setup problem what with the computer tagging along at all. However, by chance does the JVC hard drive give you this option? Then you could start and stop the camera and not miss anything (since you will be getting 10 seconds of recording from before you press the record button). |
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Hi!
The best you ccan get from FCP right now, is losing 1 second on the beggining and the end of each clip (much better than 7, yet...). You can do that by changing the the pre and post roll time to 1 sec, on "device control preset" - check out the attached screen grab. It's for 720p25, bu I suppose it works for 24p too. |
Thanks for the tip Sergio!
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You're welcome... Just sharing what I've been learning from these forums!
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