Anyone Successfully Capture 720p24? How? at DVinfo.net

Sharon Pieczenik · December 20th, 2006, 02:59 PM

Hi,

I have been trying to get a clear answer on this. I have found on these forums that there are people like me who are having clips cut into bits and media lost when they try and capture 24p. I have tried using the AIC codec and it doesn't seem to work? Unless I am setting something up wrong.

I am using final cut 5.1.2
I am trying to capture from the JVC BR-HD50 (bought after needed firmware update so it is latest model)
Shot on JVC GY-HD110U in 720p 24fps
Using firewire 23.98 hdv to get info from deck to computer (found this setting from another thread)

Is this a problem I have to wait for Apple to fix? Or is there a fix that does not involve making a .m2t file?

Thanks,
Sharon

Matthew Groff · December 20th, 2006, 03:04 PM

I can only comment on capturing from JVC HD100, but I have had no problems capturing 24p material from the camera itself with FCP. I too am running 5.1.2.

I just used the easy setup for 24p HDV and that was that.

mg

Warren Shultz · December 20th, 2006, 04:18 PM

I've had this problem just this week with 30 fps as well so it apparently isn't limited to 24P. I have FCP set to "create new clips" with TC change but it breaks up contiguous clips repeatedly.

Sharon Pieczenik · December 20th, 2006, 04:27 PM

I have turned off any abort boxes and I have turned off making clips. Still this doesn't seem to work. I have read every thread that pertaining to this problem...and I am still confused as to the fact whether or not this is my fault or something Apple has to fix. Has anyone contacted Apple?

Chris Rentzel · December 20th, 2006, 05:08 PM

Hi,

Here is a simple check list that I copied and pasted from Carl Hicks (JVC Rep) when I asked him the same thing.

Final Cut Pro works perfectly with the GY-HD110U, as long as these things are true:

1. You are using version FCP 5.1.2

2. You are using the right "Easy Setup" . Choose the HDV720/P30 or HDV720/P24 Easy Set-up

3. The fire wire port is working on the camera and on the MAC. Firewire ports are fragile, and can be blown out if the cable is plugged in or unplugged with the camera or MAC power on, or by flipping the "DV/HDV" switch with the power on.

4. The fire wire cable is good

5. Does your MAC recognize the camera when it connected? If not, then you may have a bad firewire port on the camera or the MAC.

6. Are you pushing the button on the camera to put it into the VTR mode?

If that doesn't work, could be you're using an inferior tape.

Chris

Andrew Young · December 20th, 2006, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharon Pieczenik

I have found on these forums that there are people like me who are having clips cut into bits and media lost when they try and capture 24p.

Hi Sharon,

If this is happeneing to you you should contact JVC tech support and send them your tape so they can verify. I was not aware of this happening since the firmware upgrade last winter. My captures usually go fine.

Carl Hicks · December 20th, 2006, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Rentzel

Hi,

Here is a simple check list that I copied and pasted from Carl Hicks (JVC Rep) when I asked him the same thing.

Final Cut Pro works perfectly with the GY-HD110U, as long as these things are true:

1. You are using version FCP 5.1.2

2. You are using the right "Easy Setup" . Choose the HDV720/P30 or HDV720/P24 Easy Set-up

3. The fire wire port is working on the camera and on the MAC. Firewire ports are fragile, and can be blown out if the cable is plugged in or unplugged with the camera or MAC power on, or by flipping the "DV/HDV" switch with the power on.

4. The fire wire cable is good

5. Does your MAC recognize the camera when it connected? If not, then you may have a bad firewire port on the camera or the MAC.

6. Are you pushing the button on the camera to put it into the VTR mode?

If that doesn't work, could be you're using an inferior tape.

Chris

Chris is on the right track here regarding tape. The latest FCP version will sometimes start a new clip when a tape drop-out is encountered, even a very minor one that is not noticeable to the eye. So, it's very important that you use high-quality tape, and you keep your tape transport clean. We recommend the JVC MDV63PROHD tape. Users of this tape consistantly report very reliable and clean recordings with this tape.

Jonathan Nelson · December 21st, 2006, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks

Chris is on the right track here regarding tape. The latest FCP version will sometimes start a new clip when a tape drop-out is encountered, even a very minor one that is not noticeable to the eye. So, it's very important that you use high-quality tape, and you keep your tape transport clean. We recommend the JVC MDV63PROHD tape. Users of this tape consistantly report very reliable and clean recordings with this tape.

I use those tapes and fcp still breaks each capture into multiple clips with missing gaps that have to be filled. I had one tape that was broken up into 16 different clips. I have used a veriety of methods to reduce this and I have had no luck so far.

It could still be a tape issue but in my experiences, the JVC MDV63PROHD tape does nothing to help the problem.

I think it should also be noted that these gaps rarely happen at the same spot on re capture. If these were small tape drops outs then I would expect them to appear at the same spots. That is just my assumption.

What is odd, fcp usually captures the entire clip if it was shot in sd. Because of this issue, I have been shooting all of my events in sd and custom jobs in hd. I would much rather shoot and edit everything in hd but the effort and mess of recapturing filler to join each clip is just too time consuming.

Paul Jefferies · December 21st, 2006, 06:51 AM

I was digitising recently into FCP and my refrigerator turned itself on next door in the kitchen. This generated a new clip! (either that or the computer just happened to create a new clp in the middle of the shot right at the moment the fridge turned on....). So maybe the system is incredibly sensitive to little things like changes in voltages etc. and as a safety measure always starts a new clip?

Carl Hicks · December 21st, 2006, 07:56 AM

Quote:

What is odd, fcp usually captures the entire clip if it was shot in sd. Because of this issue, I have been shooting all of my events in sd and custom jobs in hd. I would much rather shoot and edit everything in hd but the effort and mess of recapturing filler to join each clip is just too time consuming.

This is understandable. The video signal and time code in SD mode is entirely different than in the HDV mode. This clip breakage issue is only relevent to the HD mode. In the HDV mode, if FCP sees even a very small loss of data, it perceives this as the start of a new shot, so it forms a new clip. Apple is aware of this issue, aand they are working on a solution to make FCP less sensitive to this issue.

Paolo Ciccone · December 21st, 2006, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks

Apple is aware of this issue, aand they are working on a solution to make FCP less sensitive to this issue.

Makes sense. For "2nd Unit" we usually run full tapes in one run to capure the whole interview. It's impossible to digitize the tapes with FCP (24fps.). They break in multiple segments and we use 3 cameras, this prevents me from using FCP's muticlip feature.
I changed my workflow to use HDVSCap + MPEG Streamclip and there is no problem with that. The whole tape is ingested without loss of data or timecode breaks. Apparently it's an issue wirth FCP.

Mark Silva · December 21st, 2006, 11:27 AM

Does this mean that fcp 5.1.2 cannot properly batch capture 24p hdv?

Justin Ferar · December 21st, 2006, 11:56 AM

I've been under the impression that digitizing analog or HDMI out of the H50U via Decklink or Kona solves this problem. I'm buidling my HD suite and have been looking hard at the Decklink Studio which boasts HDMI and component analog inputs.

Can anyone confirm that passing firewire will solve the file problem?

Paolo Ciccone · December 21st, 2006, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Silva

Does this mean that fcp 5.1.2 cannot properly batch capture 24p hdv?

That's been my experience. The software does it but it breaks to a new clip every time your breath.

Carlos San Roman · December 26th, 2006, 07:57 PM

This is real disappointing. For as long as Apple made us wait for the update you think they could have got it right. I shot my daughters hockey game on Saturday (24p) and when I went to capture it today, FCP created a new clip every time the camera was restarted (I stopped shooting when play was stopped). I wouldn’t mind so much about the segmented new clips but the fact that it cuts out the first seven seconds of each clip really blows. You lose so much of the flow of the game. JVC should really put the screws to Apple and make them fix this problem. It cut a 40 minute game into 50 clips. Divide that by 7 seconds of lost tape, I lost almost 6 minutes of the game!

December 20th, 2006, 02:59 PM	#1
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	Anyone Successfully Capture 720p24? How? Hi, I have been trying to get a clear answer on this. I have found on these forums that there are people like me who are having clips cut into bits and media lost when they try and capture 24p. I have tried using the AIC codec and it doesn't seem to work? Unless I am setting something up wrong. I am using final cut 5.1.2 I am trying to capture from the JVC BR-HD50 (bought after needed firmware update so it is latest model) Shot on JVC GY-HD110U in 720p 24fps Using firewire 23.98 hdv to get info from deck to computer (found this setting from another thread) Is this a problem I have to wait for Apple to fix? Or is there a fix that does not involve making a .m2t file? Thanks, Sharon

December 20th, 2006, 03:04 PM	#2
Matthew Groff Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 132	I can only comment on capturing from JVC HD100, but I have had no problems capturing 24p material from the camera itself with FCP. I too am running 5.1.2. I just used the easy setup for 24p HDV and that was that. mg

December 20th, 2006, 04:18 PM	#3
Warren Shultz Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 248	I've had this problem just this week with 30 fps as well so it apparently isn't limited to 24P. I have FCP set to "create new clips" with TC change but it breaks up contiguous clips repeatedly.

December 20th, 2006, 04:27 PM	#4
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	I have turned off any abort boxes and I have turned off making clips. Still this doesn't seem to work. I have read every thread that pertaining to this problem...and I am still confused as to the fact whether or not this is my fault or something Apple has to fix. Has anyone contacted Apple?

December 20th, 2006, 05:08 PM	#5
Chris Rentzel Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 60	Hi, Here is a simple check list that I copied and pasted from Carl Hicks (JVC Rep) when I asked him the same thing. Final Cut Pro works perfectly with the GY-HD110U, as long as these things are true: 1. You are using version FCP 5.1.2 2. You are using the right "Easy Setup" . Choose the HDV720/P30 or HDV720/P24 Easy Set-up 3. The fire wire port is working on the camera and on the MAC. Firewire ports are fragile, and can be blown out if the cable is plugged in or unplugged with the camera or MAC power on, or by flipping the "DV/HDV" switch with the power on. 4. The fire wire cable is good 5. Does your MAC recognize the camera when it connected? If not, then you may have a bad firewire port on the camera or the MAC. 6. Are you pushing the button on the camera to put it into the VTR mode? If that doesn't work, could be you're using an inferior tape. Chris

December 21st, 2006, 06:51 AM	#9
Paul Jefferies Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Croydon, England Posts: 277	I was digitising recently into FCP and my refrigerator turned itself on next door in the kitchen. This generated a new clip! (either that or the computer just happened to create a new clp in the middle of the shot right at the moment the fridge turned on....). So maybe the system is incredibly sensitive to little things like changes in voltages etc. and as a safety measure always starts a new clip?

December 21st, 2006, 11:27 AM	#12
Mark Silva Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 431	Does this mean that fcp 5.1.2 cannot properly batch capture 24p hdv?

December 21st, 2006, 11:56 AM	#13
Justin Ferar Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Larkspur, CA Posts: 378	I've been under the impression that digitizing analog or HDMI out of the H50U via Decklink or Kona solves this problem. I'm buidling my HD suite and have been looking hard at the Decklink Studio which boasts HDMI and component analog inputs. Can anyone confirm that passing firewire will solve the file problem?

December 26th, 2006, 07:57 PM	#15
Carlos San Roman Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 46	This is real disappointing. For as long as Apple made us wait for the update you think they could have got it right. I shot my daughters hockey game on Saturday (24p) and when I went to capture it today, FCP created a new clip every time the camera was restarted (I stopped shooting when play was stopped). I wouldn’t mind so much about the segmented new clips but the fact that it cuts out the first seven seconds of each clip really blows. You lose so much of the flow of the game. JVC should really put the screws to Apple and make them fix this problem. It cut a 40 minute game into 50 clips. Divide that by 7 seconds of lost tape, I lost almost 6 minutes of the game!