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Mark Ross September 26th, 2002 09:16 AM

I agree. Even if you can't go to 1.5 yet, at least patch it up to the latest version.

Also, this is not a hardware (i.e. burner) issue... it sounds like your Quicktime may need to be updated as this is partially what it used to provide Preview playback.

Bill Furner September 26th, 2002 05:10 PM

thanks for the posts
 
"DVD Studio Pro requires an Apple-shipped internal DVD-ROM or DVD-R drive in order to use the Preview mode, or to test built projects using the Apple DVD Player application".
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I just copied and pasted this quote above from Apple DVD Pro section.
Does that mean that the DVD ROM Drive has to have a disk in it in order for the "Preview" to work?
Or should I be gleaning the earlier post's tips? I've heard that there are a not a whole lot of new things in 1.5, but the bug issue could be a problem. And for that alone it could fix (1.0) a whole lot of major headaches I guess.

Jeff Donald September 26th, 2002 08:19 PM

If you can answer my questions, I can answer yours. Some Macs require certain versions of the DVD player software. Some older laptops need certain hardware to playback or preview. DVD 1.0 is full of bugs. Quicktime version might also be an issue.

Jeff

Bill Furner September 26th, 2002 08:38 PM

preview
 
I downloaded the 2.7 DVD Player that is supposed to be for a G4 with 9.2 OS. But I couldbn't bring it out to open. Maybe I am supposed to put a DVD in it to open it. I just havn't bought DVD yet to test it.

Jeff Donald September 26th, 2002 08:51 PM

Can you play DVD's? If so I think you may need to reinstall the OS. You might try deleting the preference files for the DVD player and DVD SP (save copy of the extensions just in case. Your version of QT might be too new. If your using QT 6 I would guarantee it. My best advice is to upgrade to OS X and DVD SP 1.5 What G4 do you have? You might try restaring with extensions set to base (could be extension conflict).

Jeff

Bill Furner September 26th, 2002 09:39 PM

Preview
 
I just tried a commercial movie DVD on 9.2 but I get an error message saying:
"Apply Video Player cannot find the software it needs"
I have a G4 400 meg computer with 384 ram.

I couldn't find DVD Player preferences. Did find DVD Pro 1.0 preferences though.

Thanks for the email.

Mark Sloan September 26th, 2002 11:22 PM

Yeah, I tried Q Design also and didn't like it. I looked at how some movie trailers were encoded and found that IMA 4:1 seems to work better. As for movie size before rendering, I simply have encoded enough to have a good idea of what the end result will be. I know programs like Cleaner have size previews, but I don't know of any others.

John Locke September 28th, 2002 12:09 AM

Black&White Countdown
 
Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the old black & white 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 countdown footage (the kind that looks like a sonar with numbers on top of it)?

Bill Furner September 28th, 2002 09:51 AM

now it works
 
I downloaded the DVD Pro 1.0 + 1.1 + 1.2 updates and added "ATI Recource Manager" in Extensions. Now the Preview works and the DVD Player works in 9.2 :)

Bill Furner September 28th, 2002 11:01 AM

internal 104 DVDR Burner + G4 400 meg work in IDVD 2?
 
Will the Pioneer 104 work with IDVD 2, does it have to be internal. How hard is it to install? Will a mac place like Computerware install it for me.
I read a post were someone tried it and it worked on a IDVD 2 with G4 400 meg computer which is what I have. One store said that it would only work on 500 meg mac computer G4.
The burner cost only $250.00
I guess if it worked it would be compatable with DVD Studio Pro as well as IDVD 2?

Jeff Donald September 29th, 2002 07:33 PM

iDVD 2 requires and internal burner. External FireWire etc will not be recognized. I think installation is a breeze, but if you've never opened a computer case before this might not be an ideal first project. The Apple site says any G4 will work with iDVD 2.

Jeff

Bill Furner September 29th, 2002 08:36 PM

pioneer 104 and IDVD 2
 
Jeff, thanks for posting.

Sounds like the Pioneer 104 is a go. I've added ram, pci cards. Plus I have a G4 Tower, so I guess it would be simple. I just am at a loss on how to install a dvd burner, is there any instructions online that I can read. But again it sounds like I can use a G4 and the Pioneer 104 internal burner. At least I think I can get it as an internal burner.

It even sounds like it is the cheapest way to go if one is planning on buying a burner new at $250.00 :)

There seems to be an area for a burner below the dvd rom in the tower.

What do you mean "external firewire would not be regognized"? Do you mean that if I have an external "firewire" hardrive (which I do) it wouldn't recognize it?

Thanks again for posting!

tiletile

Jenn Kramer September 29th, 2002 10:39 PM

iDVD won't support external firewire DVD-R drives, but it will support the Pioneer 103 and 104 drives, even if they aren't original Apple-firmware drives. There's an install guide to CDROM form-factor devices here:

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/hival52x/install.html

They also have a driive compatibility database which you can search for reports on specific drives (you'd want DVD-R drives):

http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso

Any computer shop that does mac support should be able to put the drive in, it's no biggie.

Jeff Donald September 30th, 2002 05:40 AM

I made my own in Photoshop and used a clock wipe effect to do the transitions. I saved it and use it all the time. Actually, it's incorporated with bars, tone and black at the head of the tape.

Jeff

John Kaye September 30th, 2002 04:17 PM

hey Jeff,
Can anyone get his hands on your countdown ? I sure could use it :)

John Locke September 30th, 2002 04:23 PM

Hey Jeff,

Thanks for the input. Adrian called me right after posting and informed me that Premiere includes the countdown as one of its plug-ins. You just drop it in the timeline. Interesting that FCP doesn't have that option, too.

I forgot to respond and say my query was solved (almost immediately!).

Thanks.

Jeff Donald September 30th, 2002 05:49 PM

FCP has a generic countdown built in. I don't remember where it is. It might be part of the print to tape option.

PD150,

I'll try to find my count down clip. If I find it I'll post it on my iDisk. The count down I use now has my company logo as a background.

Jeff

John Kaye September 30th, 2002 11:16 PM

Ooooooooh FCP has a generic countdown built in it! Goo dto know. And thanks for posting your countdown in advance Jeff:) Let us know where and when by posting a reply on here. Thanks :)

ChipE_MrDVD September 30th, 2002 11:59 PM

Take 3 VX2000s, a BMW and a hot chick.
 
Here's a short DV film 5:05;15, that 3 buds and I did.
We scripted in 2hrs, did location scouting, blocking and shooting in 8hrs and I've got about 6hrs of editing in Final Cut Pro.
We used 3 cameras (VX2000) so we could shoot coverage at the same time and have the 3rd camera document "The making of".
We still need to add some narration and titles, but you should get the basic idea.

This short film shows the VX2000 in a variety of lighting conditions, and with different shutter speeds. Most of it's shot on a tripod, but there's some handheld work as well.
I think it shows the versatility of the VX2000 quite well.


http://homepage.mac.com/midwestmotorsport/iMovieTheater2.html

it's about 20mb, so it may take some time to download.

Let me know what you think.

- Chip

Henrik Bengtsson October 1st, 2002 02:14 AM

Compressed lossless codec ???
 
Hey all,

I would love to avoid using totally uncompressed video and wonder if anyone has some advice to what lossless codec is good to use. Pref one without the need for dedicated HW. frameaccurate 25fps playback is not an requirement, i just need it to do final fixes and save some space.

/Henrik

Jeff Donald October 1st, 2002 04:30 AM

The SMPTE countdown in FCP is under the print to tape option. Print to tape also has options for a slate, bars and tone, black trailer etc.

Jeff

Jeff Donald October 1st, 2002 06:53 AM

There are lossless codecs, but how will you play it back? The animation codec is one of the best. File sizes are very large in comparison to DV, so you won't be saving any space.

Jeff

Henrik Bengtsson October 1st, 2002 01:41 PM

Playback is not an issue. The workflow i have now is as follows:

* Edit in OfflineRT or DV (fast, and good playback).
* Recapture everything into a lossless environment, do final render from fcp. This means that i will have minimum loss from the source DV material.
* Bring it through AFX for any compositing or added effects and render out the "master" as lossless again. If im mastering to DVCAM then i can output the final DV here. Otherwise i...
* Take the lossless to a mastering environment and output to DigiBeta.

This way i have minimal loss of quality all through the process, something that is important if you do a lot of tweaking of the DV material. (Evident in my last project where i did some very harsh flashfades to white. =).

It is a little cumbersome but its basically the only way i can do maximum quality without investing in a more expensive system.

My main drawback here however is that the uncompressed format i use now is very very disk consuming. So a lossless compression would be ideal for me.

I'll give the Animation codec a shot.
/Henrik

GreenRubberPlant October 2nd, 2002 02:56 AM

Shaking Music Video Effect!
 
I've seen in a lot of music videos how there is a sort of camera shake or jitter effect where everything seems to be shaking. I've seen this in rock videos where when someone jumps and hits the ground, everything shakes. Is this done in production or post? If in post, in FCP or after effects, is this effect possible, and how would you do it?

Rik Sanchez October 2nd, 2002 10:59 AM

I downloaded some free Eureka plugins for FCP, check out this webpage and I think the "Jiggler" filter is the one you are looking for.

http://www.digitalfilmtree.com/Eureka.html

I went to http://www.kenstone.net and looked around and found this link. I got the plugins from another site a long time ago, I think the dvcreators.com site

Thomas Berg Petersen October 2nd, 2002 12:47 PM

Buying my first Mac
 
I am looking to buy my first Mac very soon. I am going to use it primarily to edit digital video.

Here is what I am looking at:

Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
- 256K L2 cache & 2MB L3 cache/processor
- 167MHz System Bus
- 512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM
- 120GB Ultra ATA drive
- SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
- ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
- 56K internal modem

Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 74 (17" CRT) - Black

My questions are:
- Is 512 MB RAM enough or should I add some more RAM?
- I know that you are using a lot of hard disk space when editing digital video, should I add one more hard disk?

Can a 'green' Mac novice install RAM and a Hard disk himself or should I get it pre-installed??

I really want a studio display, but I don't have the money for it right now, so I guess I will have to wait.

Thanks for your feed-back!
Thomas

doctorxex October 2nd, 2002 01:00 PM

Get a gig of RAM. It's worth it. Actually, get the base RAM and order extra RAM from http://www.crucial.com
RAM is literally the easiest thing on a computer to install. You turn it off, open up the chassis, stick the RAM in the RAM slot, close the chassis, and turn the computer on. Voila!

I think you ought to have enough HD space to hold you down for a while w/ 120 gigs. How often do you plan on importing footage? You get 4 minutes for every gig. You will use about 20 gigs on OS, applications, and some files. If you do a lot of graphics or audio work, that eats up space. Try and calculate about how much space you will have left dedicated to DV, then figure out whether that will be enough for a long period of time.

Have fun, that is one *hot* computer yr gettin' there.

Barry Goyette October 2nd, 2002 01:23 PM

I agree on the ram...check out ramseeker.com for daily pricing...ram is sold like a commodity on the net, and the price changes daily...apple's prices are about 4x what you'll find from a variety of dealers here. A gig will be plenty for FCP ( it doesn't see big changes after that....although photoshop will).

I'd recommend getting the extra drive now, as apple's price is decent on it, and there occasionally can be problems when adding them later. I think FCP would prefer you store your media on a drive other than the startup disk, and typically things like dvd encoding will work better and faster if your files are on another disk.

If you need to save some cash, step down to the dual 1gig and get the 17inch studio display...the price difference is huge for only a modest performance bump and the difference will just about pay for the monitor.

I believe you get 5 mins of DV per gig.

Barry

Adrian Seah October 2nd, 2002 04:33 PM

4 channel audio out of sync!
 
Hi again guys,

I've recently shot my short film and I'm in the process of editing it at the moment. However, I've come across a problem which I hope you guys can help me make some sense of... I've shot my footage in 12bit audio (4 channels) channel 1,2- built in mic, channel 3- via MA100 with my AT815b. I'm editing with FCP3, what I do is I capture the video and channels 1,2 in one pass, and channel 3 in another capture pass. I manually line up (using the timecode as reference) V1,A1,A2 and A3 on the timeline and nest it as a sequence.

This seems to be working so far but for a couple of my tapes, the 3rd channel of audio doesn't seem to sync with the video and A1,A2! I mean this is extra weird because the sync seems to 'drift'. At an earlier portion of the footage, A3 (via MA100, shotgun mic) seems to be a few frames 'early' and later on, it seems to be a few frames late! Which means that I can't just shift the whole track back or forth a few frames to line it up.

Now, what I'm wondering is if this is typical... I mean, is this a product of DV (with its non- locked audio, as opposed to DVCAM) or did something go wrong somewhere?

Also, is there anyway of fixing this?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

Adrian

Rik Sanchez October 2nd, 2002 05:36 PM

If you want to install your own drives then here's an article that's explains how.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=31292

Eventually you will out grow the drive you have and will have to add more. 120 gigs sounds like a lot but hopefully after a while you'll be filling up the drive with all the video you are shooting.

For more info on your mac, also check out

www.kenstone.net

Mike Finnerty October 2nd, 2002 07:00 PM

I recently purchased my first Mac. I bought one of the original dual 1gHz machines when the new DDR models came out. Took advantage of the price drop.

Mine came with 512megs of RAM and I purchased another 512 from a third party and installation was a breeze. I did not purchase an Apple display, would love to get one, but didn't have the cash at the time. I'm hoping they'll soon announce a new line-up of displays. I've read rumors about an all wide screen line-up.

I still don't have Final Cut Pro yet. Also trying to save up some money for that big purchase.

Good luck with your new machine (whichever model you end up with.) You'll love it.

Mike Finnerty October 2nd, 2002 07:05 PM

FCP purchase question
 
Ok, has anyone else seen this type of deal and what do you think of it?

I've found a company that sells FCP for $549.

It basically sells you and OEM version of FCP 1.2.5 with a serial number and the upgrade version of FCP 3.0.

Any thoughts on whether or not this is a good deal or should this type of thing be avoided?

Matt Stahley October 2nd, 2002 07:31 PM

i probably wouldnt buy that.
i found a Sealed full retail FCP 2 on ebay for around $300 then hooked up with the FCP 3 upgrade and everything is well.

Ram Nagarajan October 2nd, 2002 10:10 PM

Hi all:
Got my new Mac a fortnight ago, and I'm still drooling over it!
The 1.25 came out just a week before I finally took the plunge, and the 1 Gig dual prices came down sharply, so I took full advantage of that: It helped me get the 17" studio display without exceeding my budget. (Barry's absolutely right: It's a good tradeoff...and, boy, is that studio display a dream.)
Thomas, my config is:
-Dual 1 GHZ
- 17"" studio display + 17"" CRT Samsung 763 DFX flatron
- 256K L2 cache & 2MB L3 cache/processor
- 167MHz System Bus
- 1 GB PC2700 DDR SDRAM (This makes a difference - trust me)
- 1 x 80 + 1 x 40 Ultra ATA drive IBM 7200 RPM drives
(The OS 10.2 + applications + FCP are on the 40 GB disk, leaving me with quite a bit of free space; and the FCP media etc are on the 80 GB drive...this keeps the system from dropping frames and messing up on renders)
- SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
- ATI Radeon 9000 Pro graphics
- 56K internal modem

The new DDR SDRAM based machines are noticeably faster: I believe mine was the first one installed in India - pure coincidence - and the local Mac reseller was touchy-feelying his way around the system. I haven't run any benchmarks or anything, but I did carry out a comparison render on the older SDRAM and the new DDR RAM systems, and I can SEE the difference.

Please be warned: I think there are some issues with the new DDR RAM based machines. I don't think all third-party RAM takes on the systems. The reseller offered me a lower cost third party RAM - Alpha and SIMMtronics both - and the system wouldn't recognize it. Only Kingston RAM finally took.

Best,
Ram

ChipE_MrDVD October 2nd, 2002 10:33 PM

So NOBODY looked at it?
 
As of this posting, 54 members of the great DVi Community have read this e-mail, there have been nearly 1,000 hits to the website, and nobody wants to post a review.

All constructive criticism is appreciated.

- Chip

Jeff Donald October 2nd, 2002 10:34 PM

Under FCP>preferences, is the box Sync adjust moves over____minutes checked? The box should be checked. You can use the analize clip to get information about the audio and check if it was captured properly. You might want to try deleting the media and recapturing it as a last resort.

Jeff

Rob Lohman October 3rd, 2002 02:06 AM

I think most of this is done during shooting. Why? Because if you
do it in post you are loosing resolution (because you need to shake
and titlt the image and then you have spots that aren't covered.
So you need to blow the picture up first -> loosing resolution).

I've seen numerous behind the scenes and especially on star trek
stuff I've seen that they just rock the camera on its tripod or
steadicam. Much more real etc. Try expirementing with it!

Rob Lohman October 3rd, 2002 02:43 AM

I'm one of those who is guilty about reading this, download it
and not writing back.... Sorry bout that. The reasons is pretty
simple though. I have only watched portions of it due to my
lack of time at this moment (it weighs in over 5 minutes). And
I don't want to give my opinion without having seen it all. I'll
try to watch it tonight somewhere and let you know.

Really appreciated that you share it with us though! I hope more
people will chime in with their thoughts on it! Anyway, good that
you finished a short! Good luck.

Adrian Seah October 3rd, 2002 04:25 AM

The 'sync movies over ___ mins' box is checked and set to 5 mins

I've run 'analyse file' from the menu and both the files (V1,A1,A2) and V3 seem to be similar (timecode, duration etc)... here it is anyway...

For V1,A1,A2....

Filename: KF Adeline Lift 2 VIDEO
Duration: 00:43:58:16
Average Data Rate: 3703k/sec
Audio Shape: Ch 1

Video Track 1 (8.8 GB)
Duration: 00:43:58:16
Frame Size: 720 x 576
Color Depth: 24-bit Color
Codec: DV - PAL at Most Quality
Frame Rate: 25.00 fps
Average Data Rate: 3515k/sec (141k/frame)

Audio Track 1 (Stereo, 483.3 MB)
Duration: 00:43:58:16
Average Data Rate: 188k/sec
Format: 16-bit, Stereo
Sampling Rate: 48.000 khz

Timecode Track 1
Timecode: 00:00:06:10
Reel: Talking with Fishes 2


For A3...
Filename: KF Adeline Lift 2 AUDIO
Duration: 00:43:58:16
Average Data Rate: 188k/sec
Audio Shape: Ch 1

Audio Track 1 (Stereo, 483.3 MB)
Duration: 00:43:58:16
Average Data Rate: 188k/sec
Format: 16-bit, Stereo
Sampling Rate: 48.000 khz

Timecode Track 1
Timecode: 00:00:06:10
Reel: Talking with Fishes 2

Could the problem be because I shot the footage at 12bit and FCP is capturing at 16bit?

I don't know what else to do!

I've even recaptured both the clips again but the problem still remains...

Please help!

Adrian

Jeff Donald October 3rd, 2002 04:35 AM

Yep, audio sampling rate and format should match between the media and sequence presets. I believe you will need to create a new sequence with matching presets.

Jeff


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