I reached the top! Video quality on YouTube

Jon McGuffin · February 8th, 2009, 10:40 AM

The only problem I see with this workflow is that unless you are converting raw video files out of the camera or uncompressed, you are somewhat left in the dark. How can you get projects out of an NLE to encode with this codec without first compressing your project into some file and then recompressing with this utility?

Jon

Ervin Farkas · February 9th, 2009, 06:56 AM

I tried exporting straight from the NLEs and the results are a total disaster. So far I tested Adobe Premiere and Edius, using both the included encoder and Procoder as a plug-in.

Nothing works like MPEG Streamclip. But I would also like to know why - would be so much easier to get this quality without the extra step. At this point your best option is to export at project settings (to avoid any unnecessary recompression) and then encode as described above.

If only the author of this software or someone else would make it to work as a plugin straight out of NLEs...

You know what? I am writing to Stefano right now and ask him! E-mail sent:

Stefano,

I am one of the many happy users of your free software, what a blessing for us video professionals and hobbyists!

Please take a look at this thread on the DVinfo video forum; I used Streamclip to encode some awesome video for Youtube, among other things.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/dvd-web-v...ml#post1009062

Question: is there a way now, or do you intend to make it possible in the future to plug Steamclip into editing software? Right now we have to export a file first and only then we can encode to whatever format we need, using MPEG Streamclip.

Thank you,

Ervin Farkas · February 10th, 2009, 02:17 PM

He replied just a few hours later:

MPEG Streamclip is a standalone software and not a plugin like QuickTime's export function. So you can't plug my application directly into an editing software.

It would be possible for me to make a plugin that connects MPEG Streamclip with editing applications, but this plugin would be another piece of software. In other words it would require much development time. So I'm taking it as a feature request for a future version of MPEG Streamclip.

Stefano Cinque
Squared 5 srl

Jeromy Barber · February 10th, 2009, 03:00 PM

Nice try Ervin.

Jon McGuffin · February 10th, 2009, 05:47 PM

Yeah, you may want to follow up and let him know that, again, assuming his encoding performance is in fact superior to the others, he should be able to charge for it and get a good price... I wouldn't be contemplating it if I were him, I'd be doing it. :)

Jon

Karel Bata · February 10th, 2009, 06:43 PM

So he's just the one guy? What on Earth has he managed to do that has eluded the likes of Adobe and Sorenson? He's sitting on a gold mine.

Ervin Farkas · February 11th, 2009, 06:59 AM

He really is sitting on one, I agree. From the info on his website, it's only him.

Yes, I did write to encourage him to further develop his software. The guy seems to be a really well intentioned person and shy by nature, he doesn't make a big deal of what he does. Some of the best software is free out there - the only other one I can think of this magnitude is VirtualDub.

I asked him to open a Paypal account and put up a link so we can compensate him for his efforts.

Herman Van Deventer · February 12th, 2009, 08:52 AM

Ervin - agree.

One of my 2007 Music Video's

I use the same settings in Streamclip / Bitrate 5.

Host / Vimeo - From my part of the world I get faster buffer playback than on You Tube.

The Calyptonians on Vimeo

Greetings.

Skip Hall · February 15th, 2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ervin Farkas

Here's take two.

Camera zooming out, background is changing, lots of changes from frame to frame (TV in background is SD).

YouTube - hdtest03

I've got a pretty fast connection here, and the HD version sputters too much to enjoy watching it, even after allowing it to upload fully. The image quality, however, is I agree, superb.

Jon McGuffin · February 15th, 2009, 05:08 PM

I found the same thing but I think it has more to do with Youtube than anything... I found his Vimeo version much better...

Jon

Ervin Farkas · February 17th, 2009, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Hall

I've got a pretty fast connection here, and the HD version sputters too much to enjoy watching it, even after allowing it to upload fully. The image quality, however, is I agree, superb.

Your limiting factor is probably your computer. Plays flawlessly here, even on my 'way less than up to date' Intel Core 2 6400 @ 2.13 GHz with only 1 GB or RAM.

Logan McMillan · March 10th, 2009, 05:07 AM

This is amazing. It's super sharp. Brilliant and not even on the HD setting......how is this done????

YouTube - Dane Rumble - Always Be Here

Mati Kala · March 20th, 2009, 04:29 PM

i think you'll get really nice result with this too:
VirtualDub: Two Pass Encoding - DigiWiki

just use lagarith or huffyuv lossless codec while exporting

Marcus Martell · April 12th, 2009, 12:21 PM

Hey guys theese compression secrets are awesome!Thanks for keeping it real!

Hapy Easter

Jon McGuffin · April 12th, 2009, 04:49 PM

Yeah, great stuff... Youtube is still behind Vimeo though as far as I'm concerned..

Jon

February 9th, 2009, 06:56 AM	#32
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	No, as far as I can tell I tried exporting straight from the NLEs and the results are a total disaster. So far I tested Adobe Premiere and Edius, using both the included encoder and Procoder as a plug-in. Nothing works like MPEG Streamclip. But I would also like to know why - would be so much easier to get this quality without the extra step. At this point your best option is to export at project settings (to avoid any unnecessary recompression) and then encode as described above. If only the author of this software or someone else would make it to work as a plugin straight out of NLEs... You know what? I am writing to Stefano right now and ask him! E-mail sent: Stefano, I am one of the many happy users of your free software, what a blessing for us video professionals and hobbyists! Please take a look at this thread on the DVinfo video forum; I used Streamclip to encode some awesome video for Youtube, among other things. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/dvd-web-v...ml#post1009062 Question: is there a way now, or do you intend to make it possible in the future to plug Steamclip into editing software? Right now we have to export a file first and only then we can encode to whatever format we need, using MPEG Streamclip. Thank you, __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

February 10th, 2009, 02:17 PM	#33
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Nice guy He replied just a few hours later: MPEG Streamclip is a standalone software and not a plugin like QuickTime's export function. So you can't plug my application directly into an editing software. It would be possible for me to make a plugin that connects MPEG Streamclip with editing applications, but this plugin would be another piece of software. In other words it would require much development time. So I'm taking it as a feature request for a future version of MPEG Streamclip. Stefano Cinque Squared 5 srl __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

February 11th, 2009, 06:59 AM	#37
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Gold mine He really is sitting on one, I agree. From the info on his website, it's only him. Yes, I did write to encourage him to further develop his software. The guy seems to be a really well intentioned person and shy by nature, he doesn't make a big deal of what he does. Some of the best software is free out there - the only other one I can think of this magnitude is VirtualDub. I asked him to open a Paypal account and put up a link so we can compensate him for his efforts. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

March 10th, 2009, 05:07 AM	#42
Logan McMillan Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 85	Check this video out!!! This is amazing. It's super sharp. Brilliant and not even on the HD setting......how is this done???? YouTube - Dane Rumble - Always Be Here

February 8th, 2009, 10:40 AM	#31
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	The only problem I see with this workflow is that unless you are converting raw video files out of the camera or uncompressed, you are somewhat left in the dark. How can you get projects out of an NLE to encode with this codec without first compressing your project into some file and then recompressing with this utility? Jon

February 10th, 2009, 03:00 PM	#34
Jeromy Barber New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Nacogdoches, TX Posts: 18	Nice try Ervin.

February 10th, 2009, 05:47 PM	#35
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	Yeah, you may want to follow up and let him know that, again, assuming his encoding performance is in fact superior to the others, he should be able to charge for it and get a good price... I wouldn't be contemplating it if I were him, I'd be doing it. :) Jon

February 10th, 2009, 06:43 PM	#36
Karel Bata Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: London, Antarctica Posts: 199	So he's just the one guy? What on Earth has he managed to do that has eluded the likes of Adobe and Sorenson? He's sitting on a gold mine.

February 12th, 2009, 08:52 AM	#38
Herman Van Deventer Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cape town South-Africa Posts: 251	Ervin - agree. One of my 2007 Music Video's I use the same settings in Streamclip / Bitrate 5. Host / Vimeo - From my part of the world I get faster buffer playback than on You Tube. The Calyptonians on Vimeo Greetings.

February 15th, 2009, 05:08 PM	#40
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	I found the same thing but I think it has more to do with Youtube than anything... I found his Vimeo version much better... Jon

March 20th, 2009, 04:29 PM	#43
Mati Kala Tourist Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2	i think you'll get really nice result with this too: VirtualDub: Two Pass Encoding - DigiWiki just use lagarith or huffyuv lossless codec while exporting

April 12th, 2009, 12:21 PM	#44
Marcus Martell Trustee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: spain Posts: 1,202	Hey guys theese compression secrets are awesome!Thanks for keeping it real! Hapy Easter

April 12th, 2009, 04:49 PM	#45
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	Yeah, great stuff... Youtube is still behind Vimeo though as far as I'm concerned.. Jon