Quicktime/mov files and the PC at DVinfo.net

Jim Cancil · December 21st, 2008, 03:12 PM

I do really simple stuff - post and host myself. I end up with a URL like this:

http://wetstuff.com/movie/2min_AZTK.mov

It's about 55MB ...and virtually none of my PC friends can seem to see it - tho' they all claim to have QT. I suspect it may be loading in the background, but none of my ADD friends can seem to wait for it to appear. ..most are on cable - no dialups.

Is there a simple attention-holder of some sort .. like a Hula Girl that will wiggle 'till it loads, or a clock that tells them to run off to Starbucks for a bit? I have not had very good luck with a variety of conversion schemes - the results end up looking like the files have been laundered with my socks. Thanks.

Jim

Ervin Farkas · December 22nd, 2008, 09:50 AM

I'm non-ADD and still don't have the patience to wait 15 minutes for your video to first download... I'm afraid you're doing something wrong. The video should start playing after a short buffering time (5-10 seconds). After all, we're almost in 2009... waiting is so... 1980s...

If I recall this right, there is an option some place in my PC-based QT encoders called "optimize for download", maybe that's what you need to activate?

Bill Ravens · December 22nd, 2008, 09:57 AM

Dunno Ervin....this works fine for me. Blaming the source is so....2000's

Jim.....
you're footage is interesting. I'm on DSL and it downloads pretty close to real time...minimal waiting....it hepls for the person downloading to set the QT player to a smaller buffer size. But, it's too bad the skier kept going out of frame. Was the cam mounted on the kite? And how do you steer the cam? OIC....sailboat, cam mounted on the mast?

Ervin Farkas · December 22nd, 2008, 10:01 AM

Hahaha, love it, Bill! Especially your first version, 'complaining is so... 2000s'.

Well, all my stuff is 2008, so I'm not sure why my PC wants me to wait... XP Pro, latest updates, up to date Explorer, latest QT player... It is acting like it's downloading something...

Bill Ravens · December 22nd, 2008, 10:11 AM

Ervin....

Under QT preferences, go to the ADVANCED tab. Under Video, deselect DirectX and select Safe mode(GDI only). see if that helps you.

Ervin Farkas · December 22nd, 2008, 10:23 AM

Did that, no change.

I just checked a few sites with QT movies, they all play fine.

Bill Ravens · December 22nd, 2008, 10:38 AM

couple more things to look at:
1-what version are you running. v7.4.5 works well, not so sure about 7.5
2-Under the BROWSER tab, have you selected "Play movies automatically'?
3-Under STREAMING, do you have ENABLE INSTANT ON checked. What d/l speed do you have selected?

Vito DeFilippo · December 22nd, 2008, 10:40 AM

It made me download almost the whole thing before it started playing.

Did you enable "fast start"? Check this page for info:

QuickTime 7: Preparing movies for Internet delivery

Christopher Lefchik · December 22nd, 2008, 04:19 PM

Jim, you could try launching your QuickTime movie from a QuickTime text link (.qtl) text file. Assuming it's not a fast start issue here with your movie, it might help. [EDIT: Actually, I think it's a datarate issue; this solution won't help. See next post.]

Here's how to create a QuickTime .qtl file.

First, create a text file. Copy and paste in the following example text:

Code:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<?quicktime type="application/x-quicktime-media-link"?>
<embed src="http://www.yourserver.com/video/yourmovie.mov" />

Replace the source URL with the URL of your QuickTime movie. Leave the quote marks and the closing brackets (/>) in place. Save the text file with the extension .qtl (such as mymovie.qtl) and upload it to your server along with your QuickTime .mov file. Then link to the qtl file instead of directly to the .mov file.

What should happen now is that the browser will download this (very tiny) .gtl file, then hand it off to the QuickTime player. QuickTime will open it, see the URL reference to the QuickTime movie, and should start progressively downloading and simultaneously playing your movie from your server.

Christopher Lefchik · December 22nd, 2008, 04:32 PM

Jim, I'm on a fast, nearly five megabit line and even I'm having trouble downloading and playing your movie in real-time. Maybe your host's server isn't feeding out the file that fast, and/or there is congestion on the Internet between your server and my location. I ended up downloading it.

Looking at the properties, I see it is encoded at 4.18 megabits/second. Not everyone has that fast of a broadband line. I think you need to take the datarate down to at least 2-3 megabits. That is, if you really want your friends to watch it. ;-)

I doubt the .qtl solution I outlined above will help in this situation. I was thinking it was an issue with the browser wanting to download the entire file before handing it off to QuickTime. Instead, it looks like a bandwidth issue to me.

Ervin Farkas · December 23rd, 2008, 06:20 AM

Christopher, thanks... but no thanks.

My computer plays QT video off the official Apple website, so my computer is working as intended, without any additional hacks - I'm on a corporate T1, that's 1.5Mbps I think.

The OP needs to fix the issues on his end. My goodness, 4Mbps for the internet??? That's clearly catering for only 10% or less of all potential viewers!

I'm burning DVDs with lower bitrate...

Christopher Lefchik · December 23rd, 2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ervin Farkas

Christopher, thanks... but no thanks.

My computer plays QT video off the official Apple website, so my computer is working as intended, without any additional hacks - I'm on a corporate T1, that's 1.5Mbps I think.

My first post re: the QuickTime .qtl solution was directed at the OP, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

As for the Apple movie trailer site, they use a type of redirector/reference movie file for their trailers, though the extension is .mov, not .qtl. QuickTime redirector files aren't really hacks, they're features. Features intended for content creators to implement, however, not viewers.

Perrone Ford · December 23rd, 2008, 11:09 AM

Worked fine for me and my PC, and I used both a newer PC with Vista, and an older PC with XP Pro. Both have newish versions of Quicktime. Video buffered for about 3-5 seconds then played straight through.

-P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cancil

I do really simple stuff - post and host myself. I end up with a URL like this:

http://wetstuff.com/movie/2min_AZTK.mov

It's about 55MB ...and virtually none of my PC friends can seem to see it - tho' they all claim to have QT. I suspect it may be loading in the background, but none of my ADD friends can seem to wait for it to appear. ..most are on cable - no dialups.

Is there a simple attention-holder of some sort .. like a Hula Girl that will wiggle 'till it loads, or a clock that tells them to run off to Starbucks for a bit? I have not had very good luck with a variety of conversion schemes - the results end up looking like the files have been laundered with my socks. Thanks.

Jim

Jim Cancil · December 24th, 2008, 09:16 AM

You guys are fantastic. I'm finally learning what 'bit rate' is. I've tried to use those apps like: ffmpegx, 3ivx and DVCast with limited success. I cannot ever seem to get anything that doesn't end up looking like SD on YouTube. ...maybe I better try harder.

I did a little test of a few small HD cams, where Bit Rate has come to the fore. Me testing stuff is like handing off a F16 to a 4yr old, but I occasionally simply like [i]see what I get[/]?! Small HD video camera test: Aiptek, DXG, Flip Mino, Kodak Zi6, Sanyo HD2

Bill's question is easy to answer, since I'm the guy in the water. The cam is attached to a strut on the kite about 25 meters aloft. I buggered the setting because I made a new rig that holds the cam on the diagonal vs vertical, but then then water temps went from about 60f to low 30's - Game Over.

Ervin's made it totally clear - in a statement even I understand. Thanks.

Thanks again - 'nice holidays.

j i m

Jim Cancil · December 26th, 2008, 07:50 AM

I had a couple of conversion/reduction apps and one dvcCast was buggy for me. It turns out that their recent update - including a name change: DV Kitchen is the ticket. I used one of their presets to knock the size down to 960x540 at 2200kbs to convert my clip in one shot.

http://wetstuff.com/movie/2min_aztk2.mov

This program can been seen at: DV Kitchen at DVcreators.net

Jim

....Hmmmm, on the PC that runs our embroidery machine, Google's CHROME browser will not run the video but SAFARI for the PC does, almost right away?!

December 21st, 2008, 03:12 PM	#1
Jim Cancil Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Salisbury Maryland Posts: 161	Quicktime/mov files and the PC I do really simple stuff - post and host myself. I end up with a URL like this: http://wetstuff.com/movie/2min_AZTK.mov It's about 55MB ...and virtually none of my PC friends can seem to see it - tho' they all claim to have QT. I suspect it may be loading in the background, but none of my ADD friends can seem to wait for it to appear. ..most are on cable - no dialups. Is there a simple attention-holder of some sort .. like a Hula Girl that will wiggle 'till it loads, or a clock that tells them to run off to Starbucks for a bit? I have not had very good luck with a variety of conversion schemes - the results end up looking like the files have been laundered with my socks. Thanks. Jim

December 22nd, 2008, 09:50 AM	#2
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	I'm non-ADD and still don't have the patience to wait 15 minutes for your video to first download... I'm afraid you're doing something wrong. The video should start playing after a short buffering time (5-10 seconds). After all, we're almost in 2009... waiting is so... 1980s... If I recall this right, there is an option some place in my PC-based QT encoders called "optimize for download", maybe that's what you need to activate? __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

December 22nd, 2008, 10:01 AM	#4
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Hahaha, love it, Bill! Especially your first version, 'complaining is so... 2000s'. Well, all my stuff is 2008, so I'm not sure why my PC wants me to wait... XP Pro, latest updates, up to date Explorer, latest QT player... It is acting like it's downloading something... __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

December 22nd, 2008, 10:23 AM	#6
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Did that, no change. I just checked a few sites with QT movies, they all play fine. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

December 22nd, 2008, 10:40 AM	#8
Vito DeFilippo Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 1,585	It made me download almost the whole thing before it started playing. Did you enable "fast start"? Check this page for info: QuickTime 7: Preparing movies for Internet delivery __________________ . http://www.nosmallroles.com

December 22nd, 2008, 09:57 AM	#3
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Dunno Ervin....this works fine for me. Blaming the source is so....2000's Jim..... you're footage is interesting. I'm on DSL and it downloads pretty close to real time...minimal waiting....it hepls for the person downloading to set the QT player to a smaller buffer size. But, it's too bad the skier kept going out of frame. Was the cam mounted on the kite? And how do you steer the cam? OIC....sailboat, cam mounted on the mast?

December 22nd, 2008, 10:11 AM	#5
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Ervin.... Under QT preferences, go to the ADVANCED tab. Under Video, deselect DirectX and select Safe mode(GDI only). see if that helps you.

December 22nd, 2008, 10:38 AM	#7
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	couple more things to look at: 1-what version are you running. v7.4.5 works well, not so sure about 7.5 2-Under the BROWSER tab, have you selected "Play movies automatically'? 3-Under STREAMING, do you have ENABLE INSTANT ON checked. What d/l speed do you have selected?

December 22nd, 2008, 04:19 PM	#9
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	Jim, you could try launching your QuickTime movie from a QuickTime text link (.qtl) text file. Assuming it's not a fast start issue here with your movie, it might help. [EDIT: Actually, I think it's a datarate issue; this solution won't help. See next post.] Here's how to create a QuickTime .qtl file. First, create a text file. Copy and paste in the following example text: Code: <?xml version="1.0"?> <?quicktime type="application/x-quicktime-media-link"?> <embed src="http://www.yourserver.com/video/yourmovie.mov" /> Replace the source URL with the URL of your QuickTime movie. Leave the quote marks and the closing brackets (/>) in place. Save the text file with the extension .qtl (such as mymovie.qtl) and upload it to your server along with your QuickTime .mov file. Then link to the qtl file instead of directly to the .mov file. What should happen now is that the browser will download this (very tiny) .gtl file, then hand it off to the QuickTime player. QuickTime will open it, see the URL reference to the QuickTime movie, and should start progressively downloading and simultaneously playing your movie from your server. Last edited by Christopher Lefchik; December 23rd, 2008 at 09:23 AM.

December 22nd, 2008, 04:32 PM	#10
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	Jim, I'm on a fast, nearly five megabit line and even I'm having trouble downloading and playing your movie in real-time. Maybe your host's server isn't feeding out the file that fast, and/or there is congestion on the Internet between your server and my location. I ended up downloading it. Looking at the properties, I see it is encoded at 4.18 megabits/second. Not everyone has that fast of a broadband line. I think you need to take the datarate down to at least 2-3 megabits. That is, if you really want your friends to watch it. ;-) I doubt the .qtl solution I outlined above will help in this situation. I was thinking it was an issue with the browser wanting to download the entire file before handing it off to QuickTime. Instead, it looks like a bandwidth issue to me.

December 23rd, 2008, 06:20 AM	#11
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Christopher, thanks... but no thanks. My computer plays QT video off the official Apple website, so my computer is working as intended, without any additional hacks - I'm on a corporate T1, that's 1.5Mbps I think. The OP needs to fix the issues on his end. My goodness, 4Mbps for the internet??? That's clearly catering for only 10% or less of all potential viewers! I'm burning DVDs with lower bitrate... __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

December 24th, 2008, 09:16 AM	#14
Jim Cancil Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Salisbury Maryland Posts: 161	You guys are fantastic. I'm finally learning what 'bit rate' is. I've tried to use those apps like: ffmpegx, 3ivx and DVCast with limited success. I cannot ever seem to get anything that doesn't end up looking like SD on YouTube. ...maybe I better try harder. I did a little test of a few small HD cams, where Bit Rate has come to the fore. Me testing stuff is like handing off a F16 to a 4yr old, but I occasionally simply like [i]see what I get[/]?! Small HD video camera test: Aiptek, DXG, Flip Mino, Kodak Zi6, Sanyo HD2 Bill's question is easy to answer, since I'm the guy in the water. The cam is attached to a strut on the kite about 25 meters aloft. I buggered the setting because I made a new rig that holds the cam on the diagonal vs vertical, but then then water temps went from about 60f to low 30's - Game Over. Ervin's made it totally clear - in a statement even I understand. Thanks. Thanks again - 'nice holidays. j i m

December 26th, 2008, 07:50 AM	#15
Jim Cancil Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Salisbury Maryland Posts: 161	I had a couple of conversion/reduction apps and one dvcCast was buggy for me. It turns out that their recent update - including a name change: DV Kitchen is the ticket. I used one of their presets to knock the size down to 960x540 at 2200kbs to convert my clip in one shot. http://wetstuff.com/movie/2min_aztk2.mov This program can been seen at: DV Kitchen at DVcreators.net Jim ....Hmmmm, on the PC that runs our embroidery machine, Google's CHROME browser will not run the video but SAFARI for the PC does, almost right away?!