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ja135321 · February 23rd, 2002, 12:21 AM

Can someone tell me if there is a way to transfer what you taped to the computer thru the DV connection without hitting play like a vcr? I am wondering if there is a faster way to transfer the data and it doesnt display thru the evf?

Justin Walter · February 23rd, 2002, 12:43 AM

If I understand your post I believe no is the answer. The computer captures video from the camera in real time, theres no way I know to make it go any faster.

Adrian Douglas · February 23rd, 2002, 02:33 AM

The only way at the moment is to use a Firestore and capture to an external firewire hard drive as you shoot. You can then transfer the captured DV files to your computer from the ext hard drive.

Bill Ravens · February 23rd, 2002, 08:33 AM

even if you could do it, you would still need to put the "avi wrapper" on it so it would be useable by the onboard DVcodec. To do this you'd still need a real time, frame by frame processing.

Joe Redifer · February 23rd, 2002, 05:24 PM

What is an "AVI Wrapper"? Does the AVI format still exist? I thought that went away.

Chris Hurd · February 23rd, 2002, 06:27 PM

DV viewed on a Windows PC is in the AVI file format. DV viewed on a Mac is in the Quicktime format.

To answer the question, FireStore will do what you want, because it's recording an edit-ready DV file to a hard drive in the first place. FireStore completely eliminates the video capture process.

ja135321 · February 23rd, 2002, 08:31 PM

I just did a search and its 1k and if you want the manual its another $25 bucks! Ok so if you buy this then does that mean you dont even need the tape?

Vic Owen · February 23rd, 2002, 08:46 PM

If you're referring to the Firestore, it's LOTS less than 1K, and includes a manual -- check B&H. I recently bought one, but haven't gotten the courage to skip the tape part yet. I had a clip not write to the device properly, so I have to gain some more confidence in the unit before I make that leap.

Rob Lohman · February 25th, 2002, 02:59 AM

About those formats. AVI and QuickTime are just wrappers
for the DV stream, so that you can easily use it in your
programs. They are just a container for the actual DV stream.
It actually is possible to save the raw DV stream to a .DV
file, but only a handful of programs support reading such
files. To answer the other question, AVI still exists. It probably
will for some time to come as every video application on the
PC supports it.

Randy Reyes · November 6th, 2003, 11:21 AM

Do you know whether or not Vegas, Premiere Pro, Avid Express Pro, or Final Cut Pro are able to use '.dv' files? Thanks!! :]

Matt McEwen · December 4th, 2003, 07:48 PM

Randy,

Most of these applications will allow you to import a .dv file...I know at least that Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro can. The downside is that they need to be rendered in the timeline. Even though most DV NLE systems utilize the same DV data, each has it's own type of wrapper or container for the raw DV stream. In the case of Vegas Video and Premiere it is an AVI Type 2 wrapper (.avi file), in the case of Final Cut it is a QuickTime wrapper (.mov) and in the case of Avid Xpress it is a OMF file with separate AIF audio files.

The concept behind FireStore's DTE Technology is that it records clips to a hard disk in these native NLE file formats so that clips can be used instantly without the need to render.

Matt McEwen
Focus Enhancements

February 23rd, 2002, 12:21 AM	#1
ja135321 Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 90	DV connection Can someone tell me if there is a way to transfer what you taped to the computer thru the DV connection without hitting play like a vcr? I am wondering if there is a faster way to transfer the data and it doesnt display thru the evf?

February 23rd, 2002, 02:33 AM	#3
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	The only way at the moment is to use a Firestore and capture to an external firewire hard drive as you shoot. You can then transfer the captured DV files to your computer from the ext hard drive. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

February 23rd, 2002, 06:27 PM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	DV viewed on a Windows PC is in the AVI file format. DV viewed on a Mac is in the Quicktime format. To answer the question, FireStore will do what you want, because it's recording an edit-ready DV file to a hard drive in the first place. FireStore completely eliminates the video capture process. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 23rd, 2002, 08:31 PM	#7
ja135321 Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 90	Firestore = $999.00 I just did a search and its 1k and if you want the manual its another $25 bucks! Ok so if you buy this then does that mean you dont even need the tape?

February 23rd, 2002, 08:46 PM	#8
Vic Owen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 540	If you're referring to the Firestore, it's LOTS less than 1K, and includes a manual -- check B&H. I recently bought one, but haven't gotten the courage to skip the tape part yet. I had a clip not write to the device properly, so I have to gain some more confidence in the unit before I make that leap. __________________ -- Vic Owen --

February 23rd, 2002, 12:43 AM	#2
Justin Walter Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Justin Walter - Salt Lake City Posts: 51	If I understand your post I believe no is the answer. The computer captures video from the camera in real time, theres no way I know to make it go any faster.

February 23rd, 2002, 08:33 AM	#4
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	even if you could do it, you would still need to put the "avi wrapper" on it so it would be useable by the onboard DVcodec. To do this you'd still need a real time, frame by frame processing.

February 23rd, 2002, 05:24 PM	#5
Joe Redifer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 290	What is an "AVI Wrapper"? Does the AVI format still exist? I thought that went away.

February 25th, 2002, 02:59 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	About those formats. AVI and QuickTime are just wrappers for the DV stream, so that you can easily use it in your programs. They are just a container for the actual DV stream. It actually is possible to save the raw DV stream to a .DV file, but only a handful of programs support reading such files. To answer the other question, AVI still exists. It probably will for some time to come as every video application on the PC supports it. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 6th, 2003, 11:21 AM	#10
Randy Reyes Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 54	Do you know whether or not Vegas, Premiere Pro, Avid Express Pro, or Final Cut Pro are able to use '.dv' files? Thanks!! :]

December 4th, 2003, 07:48 PM	#11
Matt McEwen Focus Enhancements Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Campbell, CA. Posts: 508	Randy, Most of these applications will allow you to import a .dv file...I know at least that Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro can. The downside is that they need to be rendered in the timeline. Even though most DV NLE systems utilize the same DV data, each has it's own type of wrapper or container for the raw DV stream. In the case of Vegas Video and Premiere it is an AVI Type 2 wrapper (.avi file), in the case of Final Cut it is a QuickTime wrapper (.mov) and in the case of Avid Xpress it is a OMF file with separate AIF audio files. The concept behind FireStore's DTE Technology is that it records clips to a hard disk in these native NLE file formats so that clips can be used instantly without the need to render. Matt McEwen Focus Enhancements