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Old May 6th, 2007, 04:57 AM   #1
 
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Entire list of 1920 X 1080 or better cameras

I know about red and the V1U and all that, but for buying purposes, I figured I'd start a thread about any and all tech specs for all available 1920 X 1080 cameras. Everything from the Canon HV20 to RED. Please everyone spill as much info about as many cameras as are available, so I can get an idea of what's out there. I've heard people say as many as 10 cameras of SI-2K quality are available now, but I'm having a hard time finding them.

Please, for all, everyone list away....

Ones to get started are....

Red Camera

HVX200

Sony V1U

Canon HV 20

SI-2K

Canon XL-H1


All right all, GO FOR IT!

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Old May 6th, 2007, 09:05 AM   #2
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Do you want a list based on sensor size, or recorded signal, or component/HDMI direct output, or what?

For instance, those HDV models in your list arent recording 1920 X 1080 to tape ...
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Old May 6th, 2007, 09:41 AM   #3
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The HVX only has an effective resolution of 960x540 comming from the chips
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Old May 6th, 2007, 01:08 PM   #4
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The HVX only has an effective resolution of 960x540 coming from the chips
And the result is the 720p JVC's offer more resolution.

I think the original poster should clarify what they are trying to determine. Tested TV lines resolution(who actually captures the most resolution), sensor res, or capture format resolution.
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Old May 6th, 2007, 01:40 PM   #5
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some webcam are 1920x1080 now.
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Old May 7th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #6
 
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Okay, I'll clarify....

I mean anything touted by the manufactuer that made their camera as 1920 X 1080.

Not talking about sensor size or what not.

For instance, HV20 of course is completely out of league compared to RED, but it is TOUTED as 1920 X 1080.

I know we could talk "real resolutions" all day, but what I'm doing is trying to get a good list for budgets of all types. HV20 will not compare with others unless using HDMI etc....and even then.....but, if you only have 12 hundred bucks.....

My main interest is finding out the new slew of 2K cameras to compete with RED and SI-2K, but all others are welcome.

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Old May 8th, 2007, 05:49 AM   #7
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Still not sure what you want -- any HD camcorder, even the lowliest home unit, that offers 1080i (don't they all?) will fall into your category. HD only really offers two options -- 1920x1080 or 1440x720 ...

As others have iterated, some formats can't actually record to that resolution (DVCPro100, HDV) and almost no one offers imaging sensors to offer that resolution ... but everyone claims 1920x1080 as an output format, so what are you looking for?

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Old May 8th, 2007, 07:40 AM   #8
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My main interest is finding out the new slew of 2K cameras to compete with RED and SI-2K, but all others are welcome.

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What new slew of 2K cameras?

.....Reality Check.....

Since you are asking this question... I'm guessing that either,
A: You are currently working at 2K resolution and are looking for an option to shooting film.
B: Have clients that are beating down your door for 2K work.
C: You have the budget to shoot in 2K.

Since most of my projects are for professional broadcast, I do not need to work at 2K.
And I only purchase equipment that will pay for itself in a short period of time. It would take more than a few projects to cover the $90K I would need to purchase a fully outfitted RED rig with needed glass.

Good Luck with your list!
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Old May 8th, 2007, 01:51 PM   #9
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There are SO many cameras, and I do understand what some other
list folks are asking about your real intent so as to limit
the amount of time in answering your question.
My list will NOT have all the cameras as there are
too many to keep count and then there are the HD
flavors they shoot in. Suffice it to say that to help
you we need more specifics as to what your goal in
aquiring this information might be.

At the CML party @ NAB some of the cameras were there:

Sony F900
Silicon Imaging SI 2K
Panavision Genesis
Sony F23 (new CineAlta)
Canon XL H1
Canon HV-20
Panasonic AJ-HD3000
Vision Research's Phantom HD(2048 x 1080 @ 1000 frames-per-second)

Some others not there:
Panasonic Varicam (Cinema Series AJ-HDC27F ), HPX-500
Red One (Boris and Natasha had a date under glass in a tent)
Dalsa Origin (Good things do come in BIG packages)
NHK (Japanese National Broadcasting Super HD camera)
Grass Valley Viper film stream
Arri D20 (2880 x 1620 pixels)
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Old May 8th, 2007, 02:36 PM   #10
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Vision Research's Phantom HD(2048 x 1080 @ 1000 frames-per-second)
WHoa...what...why? What is this cam used for..? 1000fps?
Anyways...maybe the original question could be broken up into consumer vs prosumer vs professional versions of true 1980x1080. I kind of think I know what Candace is asking and am also curious. Though HD has been around for some time (??) it's really in the last 5 to 10 years (if that) that most of us have been exposed to it (broadcast, HD TV etc.). Heck...I still don't have an HDTV or subscribe to any HD stations.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 05:26 PM   #11
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The HVX only has an effective resolution of 960x540 comming from the chips
and a measured resolution of about 540 (in both directions). lol.

i have to laugh because this camera looks bad when quoting resolution... which isn't the whole story, becuase the picture is REALLY gorgeous.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 12:28 AM   #12
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that is why pixel count is not a selection criteria.
on specifications, the Sanyo HD1 is a lot better than the HVX
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Old May 9th, 2007, 01:27 AM   #13
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on specifications, the Sanyo HD1 is a lot better than the HVX
Well I'm not so sure about that. Never seen any resolution chart comparo's.

One thing is for certain is that a resolution chart comparison that gives a TVlines resolution, matter more then any resolution format that it was recorded into.
Eg. the HD100 captured higher TVlines resolution than any under $10,0000 HD cam acording to DV.com's Texas shoot-out, despite being a 720p format. If you calculate the HD200/250's 720p60 modes they are offering the same TVlines resolution but with twice the pixels per second. Personally I would rather have 720p60 with high resolution then 1080p30 with low reolution.
Make sense?
Probably not ;>)
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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:47 PM   #14
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grass valley's new infinity series is totally 1920x1080 front to back. Looks like the new panasonic and sony solid state format camera will be too.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 05:59 AM   #15
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What does '1920x1080 from front to back' mean? When the recording format uses a PAR and so can't record to that value -- what would 'front to back' mean in this context?

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