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Jason Pichonsky January 29th, 2004 11:57 AM

Hey Paul,

Thanks. I'm running 10.2.8 I have the Panther install disks but I've been waiting until my current project is done to install it. That's not until March.

Can I simply up grade to OS 10.3 without losing any of my current settings and programs?

jason

Paul St. Denis January 29th, 2004 12:23 PM

I upgraded to Panther without losing any settings/programs. Apple typically recommends a clean install.

I am suprised that you are having these issues with 10.2.8, I'm pretty sure I was using this version of mpeg2enc with 10.2.8

Here is a thread about upgrading to 10.3 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=16205

Paul St. Denis January 29th, 2004 06:01 PM

Darren,
A developer over and videolan.org suggested a way to get VLC to quit, but it doesn't seem to be working for me, I'll keep trying at it.

Jason Pichonsky January 30th, 2004 07:50 AM

Paul,

Your first idea was a BAD one, but on the plus side it has forced me to upgrade to Panther.

Now the lib installer works and so does the droplet. I encoded my first mts last night. Looks great.

Unfortunately I don't have my camera at the moment so I can't check it on my HDTV, but soon.

This is very exciting. Do you plan to produce a droplet that does SD conversion as well?

Great work!


Jason

Darren Kelly January 30th, 2004 07:59 PM

Paul,

I have a new bug to report.

In trying to output to the camera this afternoon I conencted my camera to the mac, via FW and then opened DVHSCap and tried to export.

I got an error message on the screen of the camera that said

Invalid Data
Cannot record.

Interestingly enough, it will output to the DVHS deck.

Picture looks stunning BTW

Can you think of anything? The same set up worked just a few days ago on a short test clip. This oneis 60 minutes and about 10 gig. I'm wondering if the patch for the 2 gig file limit somehow changed the data.

Thanks

DBK

Paul St. Denis January 31st, 2004 01:39 PM

Darren,
I did change the data rate to 25 Mbps in the last version. I hope that is the cause of your latest problem. I'll release a version that is back to 19Mbps on Monday.
It seems like I should have multiple droplets, one for export to the camera, one with a higher Mbps for D-VHS, one for 1080i, one for SD anomorphic.
Paul

Darren Kelly February 2nd, 2004 06:23 PM

So perhaps the 25mbps was the problem.

Irronically, Outputting this to the DVHS deck, which I bought off ecost as a refurb, proved to have a damaged capstan as it does record, but when it plays back I get a pulse of noise.

Atleast now I know I have to fix that now.

I'll look forward to testing your 19mbps release later today. Please let us know when it is up.

Keep up the good work.

DBK

Paul St. Denis February 2nd, 2004 07:49 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Darren Kelly :
Keep up the good work.
DBK -->>>
Thanks boss :)
The new version is up, there are two droplets now, you should try the 19Mbs one. I'm going with HDVerter next version so the URL will change.
Jason how would you use SD? You want I should make a droplet that would produce SD transport streams?
I was thinking that it might be possible to use mpeg2enc to produce anamorphic 640x480p MPEG2 program streams for DVD from 1280x720p material

Jason Pichonsky February 2nd, 2004 08:23 PM

Hi Paul.

I'm not in a rush for the SD converter. The format works for shutterglass stereoscopic video on progressive scan TV's and displays (very similar idea to Imax 3d). There's been interlace techology around since the 80's but it falls apart with the new HDTV's. I've been experimenting with it a bit.

Now that I've got your lib installer to work, I likely can get ffmpegX to encode the 60p. I've already done so with the HD mode. I think HDV's SD is 720x480.

Also the SD mode is there and it needs support too. :)

Thanks again Paul.

Paul St. Denis February 2nd, 2004 08:38 PM

Of course, I NTSC DV is 720x480, a typo. Your project sounds interesting Jason, please let me know if I can help.

Darren Kelly February 3rd, 2004 01:12 PM

OK,

1. Tried the new 19mbps stream. It output the file as usual.

2. Tried to use DVHS to output to the camcorder. After 15 seconds, it stops the camcorder and reports bad data again. Continues to play on the computer and inthe viewfinder. Even an attempt at manually recording (pressing the start button on the camera) only yields 15 seconds. Makes no difference what 15 seconds I use.

Any ideas Paul?

DBK

Paul St. Denis February 3rd, 2004 02:56 PM

Sorry Darren, I am not quite sure what is going on, do you still have .ts files that you exported originally?Please try these again and see if thise work, I will look over the script to see if anything else has changed.

Maury McEvoy February 3rd, 2004 07:21 PM

Problem with 19mbps stream back to camcorder
 
Hi Paul,

I am having problems, similar to Darren's, when I use DVHSCap to write output from your 'HDQT2TS 19Mbps' program to my GR-HD1. I also get the error message:

'INVALID DATA!
CAN NOT RECORD'

on the HD1's LCD display.

When I use DVHSCap to write a previously captured .m2t file, my HD1 records normally and produces the following log:

Filename: /Volumes/HDVfootage3/HDV7/D-VHS/HDV7A.m2t

External D-VHS Device Found: GR-HD1

===========================
PID 0 = PAT
Table ID: 0
Version Num: 0
Section: 0
Last Section: 0
Section Length: 17
Num Programs: 2
Program: 0x0000 Program_Map_PID: 0x001F
Program: 0x0001 Program_Map_PID: 0x006E

===========================
PID 0x006E = PMT
Table ID: 2
Version Num: 0
Program Num: 1
Section: 0
Last Section: 0
Section Length: 57
PCR PID: 0x0FFF
Stream Type: 0x0002 PID: 0x1000
Video Stream PID: 0x1000
Stream Type: 0x0003 PID: 0x1002
Audio Stream PID: 0x1002

-----

When I use DVHSCap to write an output file from your 'HDQT2TS 19Mbps' program to my GR-HD1; I get the 'error message', the HD1 does not record, and DVHSCap produces the following log:

Filename: /Volumes/Applications/HDQT2TS-2/FCP-HD1/KR19.m2t

External D-VHS Device Found: GR-HD1

===========================
PID 0 = PAT
Table ID: 0
Version Num: 1
Section: 0
Last Section: 0
Section Length: 13
Num Programs: 1
Program: 0x0001 Program_Map_PID: 0x0042

===========================
PID 0x0042 = PMT
Table ID: 2
Version Num: 1
Program Num: 1
Section: 0
Last Section: 0
Section Length: 23
PCR PID: 0x0044
Stream Type: 0x0002 PID: 0x0044
Video Stream PID: 0x0044
Stream Type: 0x0003 PID: 0x0045
Audio Stream PID: 0x0045

-----

The DVHSCap's log is the same whether the file type is either .m2t of .ts.

The only thing that caught my eye was that the 'problem' log shows DVHSCap seeing only one program stream, rather than both a video and audio program stream.

Thanks for the excellent software! Many of us are benefiting from your work.

Thanks,

Paul St. Denis February 3rd, 2004 11:31 PM

Thanks Maury, it is very nice to here that people are using the software, the new semester began here at SUNY Stony Brook last week, so I have been getting swamped with projects. Your log was a great indicator of what is going wrong and I will look into it Wednesday.

Paul St. Denis February 4th, 2004 05:00 PM

All I can say is this one works for me on the JY-HD10u.
I have been doing my testing on the deck recently, my guess is that the D-VHS deck is able to handle a broader range of bitrates.
I adjusted the script so the video-bitrate 18300, down from 19000. This conforms to the specs of the camera.
I hope this fixes your problems Darren, Maury.
Please let me know.
http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HDVerter.tar.gz

Maury McEvoy February 5th, 2004 07:01 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul St. Denis:

I adjusted the script so the video-bitrate 18300, down from 19000. This conforms to the specs of the camera.
I hope this fixes your problems Darren, Maury.
Please let me know.
http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HDVerter.tar.gz -->>>

Paul,

I can now use your 'HDVerter 19Mbs' S/W to convert FCP derived QT.mov files to an MPEG transport stream and then write them to my HD1 using DVHSCap.

My previous problem, that resulted in the error message:

'INVALID DATA!
CAN NOT RECORD'

on my HD1's LCD display' was apparently caused by exporting from FCP using the DC30+ codec.

I tried re-exporting from FCP:

File > Export > Using QuickTime Conversions... > Options... > Video > Settings... Apple Pixlet Video, Best Quality

and that resulting QT.mov file worked normally.

I am all set.

Thanks for your help!

Paul St. Denis February 5th, 2004 11:08 AM

Glad to hear you got it working Maury. So you think it had less to do with the updated version and more to do with DC30+? Have you tried the latest with DC30+? I will download the codec and give it a try.
Paul

Darren Kelly February 5th, 2004 11:22 AM

I was doing some work on a new version of the DVD and the new Cineform package is very specific about the output being 18.3, so I suspect this will work when I try it later today.

I'll report back in the morning.

DBK

Maury McEvoy February 5th, 2004 02:32 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul St. Denis : Glad to hear you got it working Maury. So you think it had less to do with the updated version and more to do with DC30+? -->>>

Yes. I will try my Pixlet version on your previos 19Mbps version later today.

<<<--Have you tried the latest with DC30+? -->>>

Yes. It failed just like the previous version.

Maury McEvoy February 5th, 2004 03:29 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Maury McEvoy : I will try my Pixlet version on your previos 19Mbps version later today.
-->>>

Paul,

I took my 'Pixlet, Best Quality codec' version of my FCP exported QT.mov test file and dropped it on your previous 'HDQT2TS 19MBS' droplet.

DVHSCap also failed to write that result to my HD1; with the same error message:

'INVALID DATA!
CAN NOT RECORD'.

My limited testing indicates that:

1) Your latest 'HDVerter 19Mbs (18.3)' works with my 'Pixlet, Best Quality' QT.mov, but not my 'DC30+' version.

2) Your previous ''HDQT2TS 19MBS' droplet did not work with either my 'Pixlet' or 'DC30+' QT movies.

Good luck,

Paul Mogg February 5th, 2004 03:41 PM

Just to let you know that I had previously tested with both Pixlet and DC30 footage and had no problems here.

Cheers

Darren Kelly February 6th, 2004 10:51 AM

Well.....

It output about 16 minutes before suddenly the camera stoppec.

Paul, It might be that the data rate varries. I know CineForm requires the output to be set to fixed in the Adobe MPEG encoder.

Is there a way to do that in your script?

Keep going, we're almost there!

DBK

Dave Cox February 6th, 2004 12:26 PM

Paul has been kind enough also to help find a solution for encoding the uncompressed cinewave HD codec in 1080i. After tweeking Paul's scriptlet a little, I was able to get output, however, the picture was partially split. I then tried an export to pixlet first and everything went well, as did Paul's attempt. I don't know why the Cinewave codec is not allowing for a clean encode, but I thought I would pass on our experiences so far.
Thanks again to Paul.

Thomas Ferlauto February 12th, 2004 01:10 PM

I'm new to all this, but I was able to get Paul's program to work. It's great. I was wondering if there might be a similar solution for converting the originally captured material into pixlet. Right now, I have so many steps to accomplish before I can start editing. If there were a similar droplet to get started we'd really be set.

Craig Moreschini March 5th, 2004 06:39 AM

SD to HD?
 
So with this method one could edit in Final Cut Pro SD and upconvert using the JVC HD or D-VHS?

Craig Moreschini March 5th, 2004 06:41 AM

Re: SD to HD?
 
I'm looking for a temporary cheap method for converting and mixing some privious SD footage with JVC HD. So I'm looking for a method to convert SD to HD.

<<<-- Originally posted by Craig Moreschini : So with this method one could edit in Final Cut Pro SD and upconvert using the JVC HD or D-VHS? -->>>

Paul St. Denis March 5th, 2004 07:26 AM

This thread describes a method for exporting back to the camera, there are several methods for importing JVC's MPEG2 HD into Final Cut. Do a search for "Project X" or "Diva" in this forum to find these. I see from other posts that you are using Avid? I have zero experience with Avid at this point, but in Final Cut you can combine HD and SD footage without a problem.

Frederic Lumiere March 8th, 2004 10:53 PM

Wow! I'm impressed. I hadn't check on this board for a while and I'm very impressed with what you've been doing Paul...

So I tried the droplet and the first step seems to process any QT file at 1280 X 720 unless the files contain audio. Whenever audio is on the QT file (regardless the format), I get this error:

**ERROR: [mpeg2enc] Could not read YUV4MPEG2 header: bad header magic!

Any ideas?

Paul St. Denis March 12th, 2004 04:08 PM

Hi Frederic,
Are you using HDVerter (Not HDQT2TS which is an earlier version)?
http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HDVerter.tar.gz
If so, what format is the audio you are using?

By the way, will lumeireHDV's editing solution support export?

Frederic Lumiere March 12th, 2004 04:15 PM

Paul,

Yes, I am using the latest droplet.

I've tried many audio formats and the problem persists.

Lumiere HD will support export (we are still working out the technical hurdles).

Here's a feature list for Lumiere HD:
http://www.lumieremedia.com/hdv/lumierehd_features.pdf

Thanks, Paul.


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