redrock m2/hd100 or hd200/HZ-CA13U ? at DVinfo.net

Ian Mora · June 15th, 2006, 07:41 PM

I was originally thinking of the hd100 with redrock m2 indiebundle for nikon prime still lenses. Is the hd200 and HZ-CA13U worth waiting till October to see how the tests look. Anybody have the heads up? Plus,.....what's the cost comparison gonna be. Still not sure what the HZ-CA13U is gonna cost? Will the hd200 and HZ-CA13U allow still lenses? like SLR nikons?

Stephen L. Noe · June 15th, 2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian Mora

I was originally thinking of the hd100 with redrock m2 indiebundle for nikon prime still lenses. Is the hd200 and HZ-CA13U worth waiting till October to see how the tests look. Anybody have the heads up? Plus,.....what's the cost comparison gonna be. Still not sure what the HZ-CA13U is gonna cost? Will the hd200 and HZ-CA13U allow still lenses? like SLR nikons?

This is a good question and coincidentally I will have the HZ-CA13U in my hot little hands on Monday night at the Chicago ProHD user group meeting along with some lens' to try out.

If anyone has any questions specifically, post them here and I'll take the thread to the meeting. BTW the HZ-CA13U fits on the HD-100 as well.

S.Noe

Matthew Wauhkonen · June 15th, 2006, 08:17 PM

Regarding the HZ-CA13U:

Price.
Projection screen. (Or no projection screen?)
Any limitations re: vignetting, useable stops, grain, etc?
Light loss.

Burk Webb · June 16th, 2006, 01:37 PM

Stephen, would love to hear about the the HZ-CA13U. I have access to a bunch of 16mm primes and would love to hear some reports on how this stuff actually looks.

Thanks a bunch -

Fredrik-Larsson · June 16th, 2006, 05:47 PM

Well the HZ-CA13U will work for the HD100 as well since all these cameras have the same lensemount. And the new HD110/111 apparantly have a flip switch as well so that trouble seem to dissapear to. So you aren't required to get a HD200.

What I love to see is some sample shots. I am weighting more and more on getting a JVC as my next cam since it might be a step towards a bigger camera like the Red.

Andrew Young · June 18th, 2006, 09:02 PM

Hi Stephen,

Hope you're doing well. Quite a score, getting a HZ-CA13U at your meeting. I am full of questions. Here's a few:

Of paramount interest is if the adaptor is somehow optically maintaining Super 16 FOV and DOP. Here's a few ways to help us find out:

1) Is there a ground glass or any other re-imaging device inside. I'm told no, but just to be sure, attach a lens and look through the end that attaches to the camera. Do you see a focused image?

2) With a prime on the HZ-CA13U, measure the width of the frame at 10 feet and report your finding along with the focal length of the prime. I'll compare that to the same focal length on S16.

3) Do a depth of field test by framing up a subject with lots of depth using the HZ-CA13U. Duplicate the framing and f-stop with the stock Fujinon and see if DOP is the same or more than the HZ-CA13U. Also note what focal length you needed to duplicate the framing of the S16 prime.

And yes, pricing and light loss and a confirmation of the image flop would all be helpful. Thanks much for shedding whatever light you can on this piece of gear.

Also (and forgive me for going off topic with this), you’re an Avid Liquid fan, right? Have you used it successfully to edit HDV 720p24? Any hitches? Is it native or transcoded? Would you recommend it to others? Thanks!

Stephen Knapp · June 19th, 2006, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

This is a good question and coincidentally I will have the HZ-CA13U in my hot little hands on Monday night at the Chicago ProHD user group meeting along with some lens' to try out.

If anyone has any questions specifically, post them here and I'll take the thread to the meeting. BTW the HZ-CA13U fits on the HD-100 as well.

S.Noe

Stephen,

Where and when is that meeting? Is it open to visitors who happen to be ProHD users too?

Stephen Knapp

Stephen L. Noe · June 19th, 2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Knapp

Stephen,

Where and when is that meeting? Is it open to visitors who happen to be ProHD users too?

Stephen Knapp

Monday, June 19, 2006 6:30 PM – 8:30 PM

SMS Productions, Inc.
1229 N. North Branch – S. 218
Chicago, IL 60622

Feel free to join in. SMS is on Goose Island right off of Division (pretty close to the Kennedy). Parking is on the street and is free.

Hope you can make it.

Matthew Wauhkonen · June 20th, 2006, 10:03 AM

It's Tuesday...any news?

Tim Le · June 21st, 2006, 04:16 PM

It's Wednesday now. Strange that no one has mentioned anything...even if the HZ-CA13U was a no-show.

I was really interested in hearing about the HZ-CA13U too.

Ian Mora · June 21st, 2006, 07:21 PM

Maybe Stephen is not back yet.

Tim Gray · June 27th, 2006, 07:54 AM

Any update on this?

Jonathan Nelson · June 27th, 2006, 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=Fredrik-Larsson] And the new HD110/111 apparantly have a flip switch as well so that trouble seem to dissapear to. QUOTE]

Is this correct? I looked at the upgrades and do not remeber this being a new feature. I know the hd200/250 will have that feature but I had no idea the hd110 would have it too. I was going to buy a new jvc today but if this hd110 really has the flip switch, I am going to hold out.

Fredrik-Larsson · June 27th, 2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Nelson

I was going to buy a new jvc today but if this hd110 really has the flip switch, I am going to hold out.

Hmm.. I was probably wrong. It has something called mirror mode. I looked through the manual and I can't find any indication on it. But then again they might have some weird name for that feature.

Robert Schaller · June 27th, 2006, 02:31 PM

I have to add to the list of those eagerly interested in this adapter -- ?

June 15th, 2006, 07:41 PM	#1
Ian Mora Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	redrock m2/hd100 or hd200/HZ-CA13U ? I was originally thinking of the hd100 with redrock m2 indiebundle for nikon prime still lenses. Is the hd200 and HZ-CA13U worth waiting till October to see how the tests look. Anybody have the heads up? Plus,.....what's the cost comparison gonna be. Still not sure what the HZ-CA13U is gonna cost? Will the hd200 and HZ-CA13U allow still lenses? like SLR nikons? Last edited by Ian Mora; June 15th, 2006 at 07:46 PM. Reason: misinformed

June 16th, 2006, 05:47 PM	#5
Fredrik-Larsson Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 395	Well the HZ-CA13U will work for the HD100 as well since all these cameras have the same lensemount. And the new HD110/111 apparantly have a flip switch as well so that trouble seem to dissapear to. So you aren't required to get a HD200. What I love to see is some sample shots. I am weighting more and more on getting a JVC as my next cam since it might be a step towards a bigger camera like the Red. __________________ The Russian Captain (upcoming feature) http://trc-movie.blogspot.com/ My movies http://www.larssonfilm.com/

June 18th, 2006, 09:02 PM	#6
Andrew Young Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York Posts: 123	The HZ-CA13U Hi Stephen, Hope you're doing well. Quite a score, getting a HZ-CA13U at your meeting. I am full of questions. Here's a few: Of paramount interest is if the adaptor is somehow optically maintaining Super 16 FOV and DOP. Here's a few ways to help us find out: 1) Is there a ground glass or any other re-imaging device inside. I'm told no, but just to be sure, attach a lens and look through the end that attaches to the camera. Do you see a focused image? 2) With a prime on the HZ-CA13U, measure the width of the frame at 10 feet and report your finding along with the focal length of the prime. I'll compare that to the same focal length on S16. 3) Do a depth of field test by framing up a subject with lots of depth using the HZ-CA13U. Duplicate the framing and f-stop with the stock Fujinon and see if DOP is the same or more than the HZ-CA13U. Also note what focal length you needed to duplicate the framing of the S16 prime. And yes, pricing and light loss and a confirmation of the image flop would all be helpful. Thanks much for shedding whatever light you can on this piece of gear. Also (and forgive me for going off topic with this), you’re an Avid Liquid fan, right? Have you used it successfully to edit HDV 720p24? Any hitches? Is it native or transcoded? Would you recommend it to others? Thanks! __________________ Andy Young Director/DP www.ArchipelagoFilms.com VP, Special Projects www.DuArt.com

June 21st, 2006, 07:21 PM	#11
Ian Mora Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	Maybe,... Maybe Stephen is not back yet.

June 15th, 2006, 08:17 PM	#3
Matthew Wauhkonen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 285	Regarding the HZ-CA13U: Price. Projection screen. (Or no projection screen?) Any limitations re: vignetting, useable stops, grain, etc? Light loss.

June 16th, 2006, 01:37 PM	#4
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	Stephen, would love to hear about the the HZ-CA13U. I have access to a bunch of 16mm primes and would love to hear some reports on how this stuff actually looks. Thanks a bunch -

June 20th, 2006, 10:03 AM	#9
Matthew Wauhkonen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 285	It's Tuesday...any news?

June 21st, 2006, 04:16 PM	#10
Tim Le Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 350	It's Wednesday now. Strange that no one has mentioned anything...even if the HZ-CA13U was a no-show. I was really interested in hearing about the HZ-CA13U too.

June 27th, 2006, 07:54 AM	#12
Tim Gray Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Media, PA Posts: 144	Any update on this?

June 27th, 2006, 10:53 AM	#13
Jonathan Nelson Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kingman Arizona Posts: 298	[QUOTE=Fredrik-Larsson] And the new HD110/111 apparantly have a flip switch as well so that trouble seem to dissapear to. QUOTE] Is this correct? I looked at the upgrades and do not remeber this being a new feature. I know the hd200/250 will have that feature but I had no idea the hd110 would have it too. I was going to buy a new jvc today but if this hd110 really has the flip switch, I am going to hold out.

June 27th, 2006, 02:31 PM	#15
Robert Schaller New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boulder colorado Posts: 16	I have to add to the list of those eagerly interested in this adapter -- ?