Comparing HD-200 and HD-250
 

I am looking at both of these cameras and I understand some of the enhancements over the HD-100 such as the 720p60 and gamma improvements as well as image flip and PL mount adaptor.

I know the HD-250 has studio options and comes with HD-SDI, BNC connectors and TC and Genlock inputs.

But what about the HD-200, does it have TC inputs and the better BNC output connectors?

That's the one pro feature we've been lacking. No way to sync two cameras in the field. I don't need the HD-SDI output (at least not on a camera, a deck is another matter).

Is it correct they don't come with a stock lens?


Dave Beaty

Dave, the final feature set of the GY-HD200 is still in flux. We should know for sure in about a month.

As far as lenses go, both new GY-HD250 and GY-HD200 will probably be available with the "stock" 16X HD lens, and without it, so you can choose another lens. There are now six different native 1/3" HD lenses on the market.

Regards, Carl

Carl do you have details or a website about those different 1/3 lenses and also do you know if there will be an adapter for the PL mounts on the 100/1, 110/1 cameras?

Jermone,

All ProHD cameras thus far use the same 1/3" bayonet. Therefore, any lens adaptor that is on the market or comes to market will fit all of the 100 series and 200 series cameras.

Here are the 1/3" lenses:

Fujinon - TH16X5.5BRM (the stock lens)
Fujinon - TH13x3.5BRMU
Fujinon - TH17X5BRMU
Fujinon - HTS18X4.2BRM
Fujinon - TH17X5BMD-DSD (for pan-tilt remote applications)
Canon - KT20x5BKRS (available in December)

Regards, Carl

I'm curious about the HTS18X4.2BRM. Does the HTS prefix indicate that this is a higher quality lens? I do see that it has Digipower and Quickzoom (which the TH does not) however I'm wondering if the optical quality is better then, say, the TH13x3.5BRMU.

Also, I could not find the HTS18X4.2BRM in stock anywhere (B&H doesn't even have it listed). Where would I purchase one?

Another thing I noticed is that the Fujinon website doesn't even list the TH13x3.5BRMU any more. Is this lens going away or being replaced soon?

Carl, I am also really intested to learn more about these two camera's.

1. The HD-200 seems to be targeted at indie filmmakers. Is this right?
2. The camera's will have 720p/60 and 720p/50. So this will solve a much named flaw of the HD-100/HD-110... namely filming fast action?
3. Which lens comes with the HD-200?
4. Are there any changes with regards to the viewfinder and LCD screen compared to the HD-110?
5. Does it come with a battery? If so, which system?
6. Is the size of the HD-200 the same as the HD-110?
7. Will it be released this year? Or do we have to wait till 2007.
8. With 720p/60 and 720p/50, is the recording time on a tape still 60 min? Or is it shorter because of the new encoding techniques?

Thanks in advance for any answer you can give!

Hi William,

Yes, the HTS18X4.2BRM will be a "higher-end" lens. I would not say however that it will be a "better" lens than the TH13X3.5BRMU, which is our top-end wide angle lens. The Canon lens will be less wide, and much longer, but still be of a similar quality as the TH13X3.5BRMU

As my post says, the Canon lens is not available until December. I would ask your LOCAL JVC Pro dealer to keep you in touch on this.

The Fujinon TH13X3.5BRMU is sold only through JVC Pro. Again, contact your LOCAL JVC Pro for pricing. It is a special order item, so you will probably not find it in stock anywhere. Typical delivery is 2 to 4 weeks.

Regards, Carl

That is exactly correct! For most users of the HD100/110, this is not an issue, once they learn to limit pans to a reasonable speed much like you do with a film camera. We would not have been able to sell 15,000 plus cameras if this were a big issue. But for those who are doing fast action subjects, like sports or adventure/reality, then yes, the 50 and 60 fps rates will be a big benefit. This has not been finalized for sure yet, but one possibility is to offer it as a package with the 16X Fujinon HD lens, and also offer is with no lens so you can choose any lens you want. Not that I am aware of. The latest I heard is that the camera will ship with an IDX battery adaptor. Batteries and charger will be separate. No, the body of the HD200 will be the same basic size as the GYHD250. Tentative release date is end of November of 2006. Final feature set is still a little in flux, so we don't know for sure. Still 60 minutes on a tape. The new Super Encoder yields twice as many frames, less noise, better color reproduction, and yet it still operates at the same 19.7 Mbps bit rate.

Thanks in advance for any answer you can give![/QUOTE]

NB: William was asking about the HTS18X4.2BRM.

Correction: Canon KT20x5BKRS (available in December) is what I was referring to.

I have no information on the HTS18X4.2BRM.

Regards, Carl

Carl sorry to confuse you but I want to know if there will be PL mount adapters for the older 100/110 series, I'm thinking about using primes on these cameras.

Thanks for your anwers Carl! I am in the market for a new camera this year. And the HD200 is definately an option for me. Some questions left.

You mentioned that the HD200 will come with either a stock lens or without a lens so we can choose one yourselves. That would be great, but I suppose the $8000 price is for the bundle and the body-only would be cheaper? If so, it would truly show great flexibility and customer service from JVC!

The HD200 is the same size as the HD250. How does it compare to the HD110. Is it slightly larger/heavier or is it much bigger?

Finally. With the PAL model, I will have 720p/25 and 720p/50. That would mean I can shoot slow-motion sequences right?

Well I’m not Carl, but I know you can use the PL adapter with any ProHD 1/3" camera, so it will work with the HD100 and HD110 as well. But the catch is that the images will be recorded upside down, like when you use a M2 35mm DOF adapter. The HD200 and HD250 have a flip feature to correct that and allow for upright recording.

I would guess the $8,000 is for the camera body only. It would be great if I’m wrong, of course.

The HD250 is only longer in the back, to allow for the extra connectors. It also comes with a pro battery mount, which makes it even longer. So I would guess it’s also heavier, but not by much.
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL101625

Yes, that’s correct. But you can already do that with the HD100 using the HDV SD mode 576/50p. There’s a resolution drop naturally, but the slow motion effect is there.

The PL adaptor will work on ANY JVC ProHD 3 CCD series camera.

In the case of the HD100 / 110, the image will be recorded flipped. So in your post production process, you would flip the image back to normal. Customers are already doing this with other lens adaptors that are on the market.

In the case of the new GY-HD200 or 250, the camera will flip the image for you prior to recording, thus saving time in post.

Regards, Carl

Regarding price: Any pricing you may have seen thus far is preliminary. Final pricing has not been released yet, but should be very soon.

Regarding size: The 200/250 series cameras will be about 4 inches longer than the 100/110 series. This is comparing the 100/110 series body WITHOUT an after-market battery adaptor to a 200/250 series WITH the Anton Bauer adaptor. So if you compared both cameras, with AB battery adaptor, the difference would be maybe 2 inches or so.

Regarding weight: The 200/250 series camera head will be about 1 lb. heavier than the 100/110 series.

Regarding Frame Rates: Both the NTSC and PAL models will be able to shoot frame rates of 24,25,30,50, and 60 in the HD mode. So yes, you could "overcrank" by shooting at 50 fps and slow it down to 25 fps in post for example.

Remember that in the HD world, there is no "NTSC" or "PAL". HD standards are international. NTSC or PAL only applies to SD modes.

Regards, Carl

I think its great that people from inside the industry like Carl look at the posts and give responses - it helps to reinforce the fact that JVC are making a real effort to get the whole HDpro format right. However, as his replies are spread all over the various threads, is it time to start a seperate thread, called "Ask Carl" - where anyone who has a question like these can post, and Carl could give his responses, all in one place? Maybe once a week or something?

WOW! Sorry for trying to help. I was fully ignored big time!

Any chance of JVC adding an HDMI output. With the inexpensive BlackMagic HDMI card, it would provide a relatively inexpensive way (compared to HD-SDI) to get and capture uncompressed 4:2:2 video and uncompressed audio.

Carl how much do the PL mount adapters cost? are they in the market?

Well I don't know how solid these prices are $Aust
 

Heres a link to videoguys in Aust, with the price for the CCU as well, they supply theirs with the standard Fujinon Lens, but why I don't know, they supply the BN-V428 battery, which is a mere 2800mAh. I don't have the hd100 in my hands at the moment, is that the stock battery, or is it the 3800mAh version the BN-V438U?
Anyways, here it is.

http://www.videoguys.com.au/scripts/...idcategory=321

We are placing an order for 2 of the HD250's very soon. We are also going to use the DR-HD100 HDR now that we can use FCPro with the files.

My only concern is that with the Anton battery, the BNC connector section and the HDR on the back, this camera will be 3 feet long!

I hope I can balance it. At least it looks like the tripod plate now mounts on 2 points, is that correct?

Dave Beaty

Dave,

Yes, the GY-HD200 and GY-HD250 clamp onto the included tripod plate in the front and the back. These new cameras are only a couple of inches longer than the 100 series, when you include the battery bracket on both.

Carl

Will the 200 and 250 with the wide angle lens still fit properly in the JVC case for the HD100?

Or is a new version of the case going to be available.

I am ordering the case, though I plan on upgrading within the near future to the HD200. Since the HD200 now has the larger body, I need to ask about the case.

Thank you!

Jack, I have posed the question to product management and I await an answer.

Regards, Carl

Yes, I too need to know about case options for the HD250 as we normally would order them with the camera. Since the size is different in length, that could be a problem with the current HD100 cases.

Also, I am working with my dealer and they are unsure about the battery system needed. Anton or IDX or adaptor like the HD100.

Any update on availablility or ship dates for HD250? Thanks

Dave Beaty

Dave,

I was looking at the same thing the other day and found this...

"The built-in Anton-Bauer battery bracket provides compatibility with the most popular battery systems for ENG."

at:
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/p...&feature_id=08


Unless JVC has changed this of course.

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GY-HD250U is to ship with the Anton Bauer bracket standard. IDX will be available as an option.

Jack & Dave,

It's likely that there will be a new model number for the case for the HD200 and HD250 cameras. I believe that the outer dimensions will be the same as the CB100, but the foam on the inside will be cut a little different.

Regards, Carl

In regards to the "Super Encoder" that allows full 60p using the same 19.7mbps, does this super encode also work its magic on 24p and 30p? If they are able to double the frame rate with an apparent increase in quality, the older 24p and 30p modes should be just gorgeous! If they are left unchanged, then there is some sevear untapped potential there. Any chance they boosted the old 480p60 mode to 480p120?(that would be very cool, although unlikely)

The encoder's behavior on 24 and 30p material is unchanged, all that the new encoder adds is increased processing capabilities to handle the large amount of raw data that 720p60 presents.

480p120 won't happen because the chip scans at a constant 60Hz (except in 24p mode). Doubling the frame rate would require doubling the scanning rate of the chip, which would require a fundamental re-engineering of the chip and camera.

Hi Ken,

I believe that there is only one encoder in the camera, so the increased quality of the encoder, as well as the new 14 bit A/D should give benefit to all recording modes of the new cameras.

No to the 480p/120 mode.

Regards, Carl

Carl, when do you expect more information on the GY-HD200? The camera's where slated for a release in October. This is most likely not going to happen. So what's the current release frame? Are there updated details on the pricing for the models... with or without a stock lens? And what is the cost of the stocklens of the HD-110 when bought seperately?

I will be buying a camera between now and the end of december. So if the JVC's will arrive in that timeframe, they are a serious option for me. But without any new information, this is a bit difficult.

Hi Floris,

Sorry, I don't have any specific information yet on the GY-HD200 release, but we should probably know in a few weeks.

I believe that you will be able to buy it with a stock 16X lens, and without a lens. Final pricing has not been set yet. The April press release shows an estimated price of about $8,000 list price.

I understand your need, and I will forward your questions to product management.

Regards, Carl

I also understand that your company has a different schedule then me! I just hope that the information will be there before I make my purchase.

I think you already told me that you don't know, but is the estimated release price of $8000 with or without a stocklens (I think you mentioned without).

I'm going to be conserative and say without lens. By comparison, the price on the GY-HD250U is $9995, without lens.

Regards, Carl

What is the price of the lens that comes with the HD-110/111?

It's not available from sales as a separate item. But, it can be ordered thru the parts department, as follows:

Part #LW30610-001B LENS - FUJINON LENS $2,208.07

But I understand that there will be a lenskit as well?

A good chance of that.