2nd camera to work well with HD100 at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > JVC ProHD & MPEG2 Camera Systems > JVC GY-HD Series Camera Systems

JVC GY-HD Series Camera Systems
GY-HD 100 & 200 series ProHD HDV camcorders & decks.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old February 14th, 2007, 07:10 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 196
2nd camera to work well with HD100

Hey Gang,

We are looking at a new camera and wondered if anyone had any thoughts or experience, with a smaller, less expensive camera than the HD100 that would work well with our current HD100.

We shoot sports for High Schools and my parnter in crime likes the mid sized Canon HDV camera.

My concern is that if we end up shooting together, the footage won't match without a good deal of tweaking.

Any thoughts, suggestions or experience would be appreciated.

Best regards,

Tom Chaney
Tom Chaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2007, 08:33 PM   #2
New Boot
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Melvindale, Michigan
Posts: 8
More info

What my detail challenged friend Tom failed to mention is that it is the Canon
XH A1. We are concerned about the frame size difference between the two camera's as well as any other trouble we would run into during post. We use Final Cut Studio by the way.
Jerry Land is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2007, 08:33 PM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 196
No Love at all!

My brothers!

Are none of you using a different camera as a back up?

Tom
Tom Chaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2007, 10:17 PM   #4
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
I think you can run the Canon footage through mpeg streamclip to match the resolution of the JVC ...I think. I'm not positive I haven't done it myself.
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2007, 11:04 PM   #5
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Fresno, California
Posts: 528
I'm not sure what final cut does to the footage, but Vegas handles it pretty well. The big problems you're going to run into is the color. You'll really have to do a lot of tweaking before hand to get the colors looking similar. We don't like to mismatch cameras. We did a job a couple years ago where we matched a Canon XL-2 and a couple JVC - DV5000's. You definately noticed the differences between the cameras, and with everything we did to correct it, it still looked off. But if you have to, then I would say try it out, but definately do some tests before hand to try and match the camera's native color in the color setting menus.
Kit Hannah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2007, 12:03 AM   #6
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Burbank
Posts: 1,811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Chaney
We are looking at a new camera and wondered if anyone had any thoughts or experience, with a smaller, less expensive camera than the HD100 that would work well with our current HD100.
Tom Chaney
What price range are you talking about?
Do you want to shoot progressive or do you want interlaced and convert it to progressive?

I have only seen it at a show, but I think the Sony V1, which is true progressive, might be a good camera. It's the same size as a PD150 (which is smaller than the Z1).

When you say "backup," do you mean a camera to use if the other one isn't available? Or do you want something to intercut with the HD100?

If you were going to intercut, matching the cameras might be accomplished by setting them up using DSC chart and the appropriate monitors (such as in DVRack).

If you were going to use the second camera for special shots, such as closeups on the sidelines, low angle field shots into the lights, etc., getting the cameras to match exactly would be less important.

I have done a lot of this with many different DV cameras, but I haven't done so with the JVC cameras and HDV. Based on the responses on this topic in the past, it doesn't seem like many people use a second, smaller camera together with the JVC camera. Most of those who have mixed camera footage in the same project seem to have done so out of necessity, not as part of the plan. Am I wrong here?
Jack Walker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2007, 03:51 AM   #7
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
Okay, I just converted a 1080 24f clip to HDV 720/24p in mpeg steamclip and it works great. I would assume that converting a 30f to 30p clip would equal thew same results, as would a 1080 60i to 720 30p.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Walker
I have only seen it at a show, but I think the Sony V1, which is true progressive, might be a good camera.
I don't want to be defensive or anything but 24f is "true progressive". I don't understand why there is some sort of stigma still associated with the Canon cameras. It's not fake progressive.

It has been proven ad nauseum on these boards that 24f=24p. Insinuating otherwise is just misinformation and a disservice to the Canon line of cameras
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2007, 03:52 AM   #8
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
Double post... please ignore.
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2007, 07:29 AM   #9
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 196
Thanks guys. Good stuff.

The color was my concern as well.

I think that we might be leaning towards another JVC - perhaps used.

Tom
Tom Chaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2007, 07:30 AM   #10
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Bloomington, IL
Posts: 636
Tony,

What canon were you using? If you get a chance I'm sure everyone looking at this post would like to see some side by side footage of the canon and the jvc being intercut. Thanks.

Ben
Ben Lynn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2007, 11:02 AM   #11
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Burbank
Posts: 1,811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Tibbetts
I don't want to be defensive or anything but 24f is "true progressive". I don't understand why there is some sort of stigma still associated with the Canon cameras. It's not fake progressive.
What I meant was that the Sony V1 uses a progressive imagers, as the JVC uses progressive CCDs. In contrast the Canon H1 uses interlaced CCDs, then extracts the progressive frames.

The results can be excellent from all the cameras. For some people, the H1 has the advantage of producing excellent 1080i, and the extracted progressive video is a bonus.
Jack Walker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #12
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Lynn
Tony,

What canon were you using? If you get a chance I'm sure everyone looking at this post would like to see some side by side footage of the canon and the jvc being intercut. Thanks.

Ben
I only own the Canon. I think the only trouble you would find matching cameras is from the Panasonic cams due to the exaggerated gamma curves.

No camera is gonna match with another camera perfectly. There will need to be adjustments with both cameras settings and some additional tweaking in post.Seeing footage from the Canon and the JVC tells me that intercutting them shouldn't be that much of a problem. I haven't seen any footage from the Sony (except on these boards) So I'm not sure about the Sony, but I would guess that it would be as good. The problem with the Sony is getting it into the NLE, namely FCP Studio.

I know for a fact you can convert Canons HDV clips from 1440x1080 24f 1280x720 24p in a few different formats. Specifically HDV 720/24p the same as the footage from the JVC. Assuming thats the goal. It also works for the other frame rates as well (30p, 60i)
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 26th, 2007, 05:46 PM   #13
Trustee
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 1,896
Why not a used HD100.
http://cgi.ebay.com/JVC-GY-HD100UA-H...QQcmdZViewItem
Steven Thomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 7th, 2007, 07:28 AM   #14
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Francisco California
Posts: 52
2nd camera

speaking of mtaching video, how on earth will I match old footage shot in SD 4:3 and mix it in with my new stuff in HD720-30p?

I have a client who has old video (of family stuff etc) that he wants edited in with new footage.

Also, I have a client who has shot some of his mountain bike rides on a small consumer "handicam" (SD 16:9) and wants that included in his finished product.


pardon my ignorance but I haven't encountered this before. thanks.
Sal C. Martin is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > JVC ProHD & MPEG2 Camera Systems > JVC GY-HD Series Camera Systems

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:23 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network