HM100

Matt San · May 4th, 2009, 02:49 PM

I have been playing with the details setting and find that -10 (or OFF) is better than any ON setting - especailly in low light.

Anyone else care to share their thoughts on this?

Colin Rowe · May 5th, 2009, 07:45 AM

Hi Matt.
Just ordered my HM100. Will check this out on arrival, and report back.

Matt San · May 5th, 2009, 08:15 AM

hey col - did u get to demo it before hand? if so what did ya think?

Thomas Smet · May 5th, 2009, 08:18 AM

This is usually true for most cameras. By default most cameras go a little extreme with their edg sharpening to make them punch a little bit more. This does give the sense that the images is more detailed and jumps out more but it isn't natural.

I would be very interested in seeing how thse JVC cameras look with the detail off. I am a compositor by trade and I always prefer to get raw non sharpened images to work with. This makes it easier to rotoscope and key subjects so they don't have a thick white or black ring around them. To pull off the detail off you usually have to start with a pretty high res camera. This is why this works so well with the SON EX series of cameras. Those cameras already use native full resolution chips. The JVC does use pixel shift so they may not be as detailed but I would really like to see what they do look like with no extra electronic detail added.

Colin Rowe · May 5th, 2009, 08:34 AM

Hi Matt.
I had a Demo in Exeter last week. I was well impressed. JVC have done some amazing things to squeeze all that quality from 1/4 inch CCDs. I only got to play with it for about an hour, the rep turned up late and had to get to his next appointment. I wasnt best pleased, having driven 65 miles to get there. I have a couple of Transcend 16 gb cards, and need to buy a couple more. Transcends have gone way up in price over the last couple of months, and I can now buy Sandisk ultra 2s for about £6 less than Transcends, from 7 day shop. I know that they are rated as class4, but they are also the most popular card being used with the EX1. I figure that if they are fast enough for the EX1, they should be ok for the HM100. any thoughts appreciated. All I want now is for that box to arrive, and I can start to put it through its paces.
Cheers

Matt San · May 5th, 2009, 08:54 AM

Ive just sold my EX1 - decided the hm100 will suffice for all my limited needs. I use Transcend 16Gb cards in both cameras and so far not a single glitch.

Regarding what Thomas says - I didnt like the over sharpened look on the EX1 either - like he says - it can look like a black marker pen is drawn round everything and when you do pans etc and stop - you go from unsharp to sharp in a very un-natural way

So far the hm100 with details off is giving me a less 'sharp' picture but much more natual looking- especially where movement in frame is concerned. But everyone will have their own opinion.

BTW - detail setting -9 to -1 all looked the same to me and +1 to +9 looked the same too (checking via HMDI on 42" plasma)

only OFF had any real noticable difference to me.

Tim Dashwood · May 5th, 2009, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin Rowe

I know that they are rated as class4, but they are also the most popular card being used with the EX1. I figure that if they are fast enough for the EX1, they should be ok for the HM100. any thoughts appreciated.

Class 4 cards won't function at all. The camera checks the speed the moment you insert the card. If you put a class 4 card the HM100 or HM700 it will give you a message saying "wrong media type" or something to that effect.
Class 6 is required. Transcend still seem to be the best price vs. reliability I've seen, especially if you buy the bundle that comes with the SDHC USB2 card reader.
Of course for guaranteed reliabilty you can look into Hoodman's 16GB "RAW" SDHC card.

Colin Rowe · May 5th, 2009, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

Class 4 cards won't function at all. The camera checks the speed the moment you insert the card. If you put a class 4 card the HM100 or HM700 it will give you a message saying "wrong media type" or something to that effect.
Class 6 is required. Transcend still seem to be the best price vs. reliability I've seen, especially if you buy the bundle that comes with the SDHC USB2 card reader.
Of course for guaranteed reliabilty you can look into Hoodman's 16GB "RAW" SDHC card.

Tim.
Thank you very much for the reply. I have just ordered 3 more Transcend 16gb cards. I was just being mean and trying to save a few £s, never worth it in the long run. Once again, thanks very much.
I dont doubt the Hoodmans reliability for one second, but at that price, I think the Transcends will suffice.

Marty Mulholland · September 1st, 2010, 07:50 AM

just wanted to bump this up people... has anyone else experimented with the detail setting at all?

i've been shooting a lot and doing some googling but would love a bit more info on what i lose/gain by turning the detail right down?

Andy Urtusuastegui · September 3rd, 2010, 07:07 PM

I shoot mosly 720 60p. I find -5 to -8 is good. I get less "edge shimmering" and a little less noise.

In 1080 60i, I can only turn detail down to -3 to-5 or the picture gets real "soft and mushy".
1080 60i at 0 is real noisy to me.

May 4th, 2009, 02:49 PM	#1
Matt San Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wales UK Posts: 121	HM100 - detail setting I have been playing with the details setting and find that -10 (or OFF) is better than any ON setting - especailly in low light. Anyone else care to share their thoughts on this?

May 5th, 2009, 07:45 AM	#2
Colin Rowe Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cornwall UK Posts: 793	Hi Matt. Just ordered my HM100. Will check this out on arrival, and report back. __________________ Colin

May 5th, 2009, 08:34 AM	#5
Colin Rowe Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cornwall UK Posts: 793	Hi Matt. I had a Demo in Exeter last week. I was well impressed. JVC have done some amazing things to squeeze all that quality from 1/4 inch CCDs. I only got to play with it for about an hour, the rep turned up late and had to get to his next appointment. I wasnt best pleased, having driven 65 miles to get there. I have a couple of Transcend 16 gb cards, and need to buy a couple more. Transcends have gone way up in price over the last couple of months, and I can now buy Sandisk ultra 2s for about £6 less than Transcends, from 7 day shop. I know that they are rated as class4, but they are also the most popular card being used with the EX1. I figure that if they are fast enough for the EX1, they should be ok for the HM100. any thoughts appreciated. All I want now is for that box to arrive, and I can start to put it through its paces. Cheers __________________ Colin

May 5th, 2009, 08:15 AM	#3
Matt San Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wales UK Posts: 121	hey col - did u get to demo it before hand? if so what did ya think?

May 5th, 2009, 08:18 AM	#4
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	This is usually true for most cameras. By default most cameras go a little extreme with their edg sharpening to make them punch a little bit more. This does give the sense that the images is more detailed and jumps out more but it isn't natural. I would be very interested in seeing how thse JVC cameras look with the detail off. I am a compositor by trade and I always prefer to get raw non sharpened images to work with. This makes it easier to rotoscope and key subjects so they don't have a thick white or black ring around them. To pull off the detail off you usually have to start with a pretty high res camera. This is why this works so well with the SON EX series of cameras. Those cameras already use native full resolution chips. The JVC does use pixel shift so they may not be as detailed but I would really like to see what they do look like with no extra electronic detail added.

May 5th, 2009, 08:54 AM	#6
Matt San Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wales UK Posts: 121	Ive just sold my EX1 - decided the hm100 will suffice for all my limited needs. I use Transcend 16Gb cards in both cameras and so far not a single glitch. Regarding what Thomas says - I didnt like the over sharpened look on the EX1 either - like he says - it can look like a black marker pen is drawn round everything and when you do pans etc and stop - you go from unsharp to sharp in a very un-natural way So far the hm100 with details off is giving me a less 'sharp' picture but much more natual looking- especially where movement in frame is concerned. But everyone will have their own opinion. BTW - detail setting -9 to -1 all looked the same to me and +1 to +9 looked the same too (checking via HMDI on 42" plasma) only OFF had any real noticable difference to me.

September 1st, 2010, 07:50 AM	#9
Marty Mulholland Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 37	just wanted to bump this up people... has anyone else experimented with the detail setting at all? i've been shooting a lot and doing some googling but would love a bit more info on what i lose/gain by turning the detail right down?

September 3rd, 2010, 07:07 PM	#10
Andy Urtusuastegui Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Foothill Ranch, CA Posts: 166	I shoot mosly 720 60p. I find -5 to -8 is good. I get less "edge shimmering" and a little less noise. In 1080 60i, I can only turn detail down to -3 to-5 or the picture gets real "soft and mushy". 1080 60i at 0 is real noisy to me.