HM100 & 700 Series Scene File Recipes?

Marcello Mazzilli · July 10th, 2009, 04:54 AM

Thanks a lot Tim!

Mark Slocombe · July 10th, 2009, 06:34 AM

Just to add I'd also welcome PP settings for the 100 to match it with EX1 - cheers!

Marcello Mazzilli · July 21st, 2009, 12:47 PM

No news? It's been months since the HM700 is out.... no serious DOP has some settings to share ? :)

Eric Deyerler · July 21st, 2009, 01:32 PM

A testmagazine in Germany (VideoaktiDigital) says
in a test, that the color-resolution with 35Mbit/s is really
better then Hpx301 with 4:2:2 with AvcIntra.

The first is to set the Kneepoint (80/85%),
Compress the black (3), when you want the master black
and the gamma.
The important facts for the HM700 is to
set the kneepoint and the gamma,
the black tones must be darker,
sayd the german magazine.

Marcello Mazzilli · July 22nd, 2009, 09:16 AM

Thanks.. I did some tests myself and found a nice result with a +2 black.. but obviously it depends what result you want, what and where you shoot, etc.. but... I'd really like a proper set of settings done by serious DOP... ALso some picture profiles for matching other cameras...

Eric Deyerler · July 22nd, 2009, 09:59 AM

I read Tims picture recipes, but the old recipes are only for the older JVC-Cams.

Today I shot some tests, and the best is at daylight-shots to compress the dark tones
(at max. Level 3), the gamma a little bit (sometimes), but the Master-black max. 1 step. With the right zoomfactor and iris around 5,6 will be the best results.

Sometimes the ND-Filter are not dark enought for me,
so I take the shutter around 1/200 - 1/500 to limit the bright sun-light
in some situations outside. Other cams got the opportunity to set the
gain in the negative (like - 3 dB), that will effect like a better ND-Filter.

I shot with an manuel knee at 80 %.

The next day I am on image-shots - indour and outdoor and I will make my best
with the HM700, but the 35 MBit/s is really sharper then HPX301 with AVCIntra.
(More resolution lines and more colour resolution!)

Robert Rogoz · August 3rd, 2009, 11:29 PM

So I broke down and bought my HM100. I am off on Sat to film on Rainier for 3 days. Any file recipes for HM100 for best, most accurate colors? Thanks!

Marcello Mazzilli · September 13th, 2009, 04:23 PM

Tim.. still no news? Sorry to insist

Enzo Giobbé · September 19th, 2009, 02:20 PM

Hey, guys, lighten up. Tim is a working DP and BUSY!

I think it's great that he goes through all the work that it takes to make his tested picture and scene files available to all, but it all takes time.

Besides, you should always make scene and picture files that match your particular camera. There is such a wide variance in all cams (some more than others), that no one settings file is going to work 100% as well as the individual cam they were tested on. So consider ANY settings file as a good start point, to be further tweaked for the cam you are actually shooting with.

Because of this variance, I am lucky enough (or cursed) to be able to have a JVC cam set up for each of my shooting specialties. A settings file that is perfect for one cam, isn't so good on another (even the same exact model). Plus there is the hardware changes and special tweaks that make having different camera systems for differed specialties a good choice for me.

Here is an example of what I mean: JVC Four Amigos

Eric Deyerler · September 19th, 2009, 02:31 PM

I shot every day with the HM700 for TV, Image and short-movies for TV,
everybody needs his own settings, good is
to set the kneepoint from 100 to 80/85,
compress the black tones, in the picture
will be crisp.
Hard contrasts due to wide iris can cause CAs.

Mark Slocombe · February 16th, 2010, 07:11 AM

Did Tim or any others complete any picture profiles / scene files for HM100 / EX1 combination?

July 10th, 2009, 06:34 AM	#17
Mark Slocombe Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 120	picture profiles Just to add I'd also welcome PP settings for the 100 to match it with EX1 - cheers! __________________ Mark Slocombe, CreationVideo http://www.creationvideo.com

September 19th, 2009, 02:20 PM	#24
Enzo Giobbé Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA and Roma, Italia Posts: 155	Lighten up :) Hey, guys, lighten up. Tim is a working DP and BUSY! I think it's great that he goes through all the work that it takes to make his tested picture and scene files available to all, but it all takes time. Besides, you should always make scene and picture files that match your particular camera. There is such a wide variance in all cams (some more than others), that no one settings file is going to work 100% as well as the individual cam they were tested on. So consider ANY settings file as a good start point, to be further tweaked for the cam you are actually shooting with. Because of this variance, I am lucky enough (or cursed) to be able to have a JVC cam set up for each of my shooting specialties. A settings file that is perfect for one cam, isn't so good on another (even the same exact model). Plus there is the hardware changes and special tweaks that make having different camera systems for differed specialties a good choice for me. Here is an example of what I mean: JVC Four Amigos __________________ Enzo Giobbé www.enzogiobbe.com

February 16th, 2010, 07:11 AM	#26
Mark Slocombe Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 120	picture profiles / scene files Did Tim or any others complete any picture profiles / scene files for HM100 / EX1 combination? __________________ Mark Slocombe, CreationVideo http://www.creationvideo.com

July 10th, 2009, 04:54 AM	#16
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	Thanks a lot Tim!

July 21st, 2009, 12:47 PM	#18
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	No news? It's been months since the HM700 is out.... no serious DOP has some settings to share ? :)

July 21st, 2009, 01:32 PM	#19
Eric Deyerler Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Schwabach (Germany - Bavaria) Posts: 199	A testmagazine in Germany (VideoaktiDigital) says in a test, that the color-resolution with 35Mbit/s is really better then Hpx301 with 4:2:2 with AvcIntra. The first is to set the Kneepoint (80/85%), Compress the black (3), when you want the master black and the gamma. The important facts for the HM700 is to set the kneepoint and the gamma, the black tones must be darker, sayd the german magazine.

July 22nd, 2009, 09:16 AM	#20
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	Thanks.. I did some tests myself and found a nice result with a +2 black.. but obviously it depends what result you want, what and where you shoot, etc.. but... I'd really like a proper set of settings done by serious DOP... ALso some picture profiles for matching other cameras...

July 22nd, 2009, 09:59 AM	#21
Eric Deyerler Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Schwabach (Germany - Bavaria) Posts: 199	I read Tims picture recipes, but the old recipes are only for the older JVC-Cams. Today I shot some tests, and the best is at daylight-shots to compress the dark tones (at max. Level 3), the gamma a little bit (sometimes), but the Master-black max. 1 step. With the right zoomfactor and iris around 5,6 will be the best results. Sometimes the ND-Filter are not dark enought for me, so I take the shutter around 1/200 - 1/500 to limit the bright sun-light in some situations outside. Other cams got the opportunity to set the gain in the negative (like - 3 dB), that will effect like a better ND-Filter. I shot with an manuel knee at 80 %. The next day I am on image-shots - indour and outdoor and I will make my best with the HM700, but the 35 MBit/s is really sharper then HPX301 with AVCIntra. (More resolution lines and more colour resolution!)

August 3rd, 2009, 11:29 PM	#22
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	So I broke down and bought my HM100. I am off on Sat to film on Rainier for 3 days. Any file recipes for HM100 for best, most accurate colors? Thanks!

September 13th, 2009, 04:23 PM	#23
Marcello Mazzilli Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ITALIA Posts: 416	Tim.. still no news? Sorry to insist

September 19th, 2009, 02:31 PM	#25
Eric Deyerler Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Schwabach (Germany - Bavaria) Posts: 199	I shot every day with the HM700 for TV, Image and short-movies for TV, everybody needs his own settings, good is to set the kneepoint from 100 to 80/85, compress the black tones, in the picture will be crisp. Hard contrasts due to wide iris can cause CAs.