Timeline sequence preset for FCP and 35Mbps at DVinfo.net

Svein Rune Skilnand · June 28th, 2009, 03:02 AM

Early this week I will have the chance to test an HM700 complete with the SxS recorder. I am really, really excited to put my hands on it and test the workflow in FCP.

If I record in 19 Mbps mode I suppose I can use the sequence presets in FCP like I am used to with my HD111s. But what sequence preset do I use for the 35 Mbps? Should I run an XDCam EX timeline like the EX- series by Sony, as this is the same standard?

Keith Moreau · June 29th, 2009, 09:18 AM

I have an EX1 and a HM 100, and use the HM100 in the 35mbs XDCAM MOV mode. I'm able to use both types of files in a XDCAM EX sequence and they both appear 'native' to the sequence, that is, the clips don't require rendering in that type of sequence. Hope this helps.

Sean Adair · July 1st, 2009, 11:06 AM

In current version of FCP 6, you can use easy setup to choose the (XDcam EX) mode you are shooting in. No use for the SxS with a FCP workflow - definitely shoot in .mov mode.

Svein Rune Skilnand · July 6th, 2009, 05:17 AM

Thanks so much, Sean and Keith.
It worked as a charm. No problems at all. I started an EX- timeline and encountered no problems. And what an efficent workflow. The fastest ever.

Eric Deyerler · July 6th, 2009, 06:25 AM

And the best preset under Final Cut Pro 5.1.4?!

Sean Adair · July 6th, 2009, 10:21 AM

No installed preset in FCP 5. I think you can edit in native format using the open source codec out there. see http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/1032439-post1.html
You'd have to make your own preset.

Eric Deyerler · July 6th, 2009, 12:11 PM

With Components for Perian, it works for import and playback, but it don't work native,
only with 1080i50 25 Mb/s (like HDV 1080i50).

Eric Deyerler · July 6th, 2009, 02:57 PM

Hi Sean, do know that possibility
Aulich & Adamski - english version Blog Archive 720p50 Capturing & Editing in Final Cut Pro

Ron Wilk · July 22nd, 2009, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Moreau

I have an EX1 and a HM 100, and use the HM100 in the 35mbs XDCAM MOV mode. I'm able to use both types of files in a XDCAM EX sequence and they both appear 'native' to the sequence, that is, the clips don't require rendering in that type of sequence. Hope this helps.

Hello:
I am an EX3 owner/user and am considering purchasing an HM100 as a second camera. I am pleased to hear that clips from both cameras can coexist natively in an FCP timeline but I am curious as to how well they cut together?

Thank you in advance.

Robert Rogoz · July 22nd, 2009, 03:09 PM

Ron EX1/3 and HM100 use exact same codec, so FCS2 can't tell the difference. The only thing is you'll have to use Log and Transfer for your EX3, you can natively record in .mov on your HM100, so you can just copy/paste files and place them directly onto time line - saving you one step. As these cameras use exactly the same codec there should be no issues with editing them on one time line. You might want to look through the menus and change the settings, so the shots look the same from these cameras.

Ron Wilk · July 22nd, 2009, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Rogoz

Ron EX1/3 and HM100 use exact same codec, so FCS2 can't tell the difference. The only thing is you'll have to use Log and Transfer for your EX3, you can natively record in .mov on your HM100, so you can just copy/paste files and place them directly onto time line - saving you one step. As these cameras use exactly the same codec there should be no issues with editing them on one time line. You might want to look through the menus and change the settings, so the shots look the same from these cameras.

Hello Robert:
Thank you for your reply. I am aware of the file wrapping or unwrapping issue with the EX series ( I use either Sony's EX transfer software or Calibrated Q) but my primary concern was with appearances, meaning, when you cut from an EX3/1 clip to an adjacent HM100 clip is there an obvious visual difference?

Keith Moreau · July 22nd, 2009, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wilk

Hello:
I am an EX3 owner/user and am considering purchasing an HM100 as a second camera. I am pleased to hear that clips from both cameras can coexist natively in an FCP timeline but I am curious as to how well they cut together?

Thank you in advance.

Hi Ron

I have done a few projects intercutting the 2 cameras. They are definitely not a perfect match, even when you white balance them to a white card and seem to require post color correction to get them matched more. I think the HM100 has a bit of a green cast compared to the EX1. I'm still waiting for the experts such as Tim Dashwood or others to give us more hints about in-camera settings.

In addition the resolution and image quality of the HM100 vs the EX1, the EX1 is definitely a higher-res and has a more 'solid' and less 'video' image quality, edges on the HM100 have a bit of that 'video' look and darker portions of the images exhibit a 'smear' on the images overall. I can't describe it better than that. Again, though with some work on the in-camera and post they can be brought more in-line.

I'm working on some projects that will wind up on Youtube that have the 2 camcorders used in an interview situation, intercutting between them, I'll post a link when they are up, maybe that will be of some help.

All that being said, the HM100 is a useful camcorder for various reasons (CCD and size/weight) and I think with tweaking in-camera and post they can be matched up 'well enough' to be acceptable to all but the most discerning audiences.

Ron Wilk · July 23rd, 2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Moreau

Hi Ron

I have done a few projects intercutting the 2 cameras. They are definitely not a perfect match, even when you white balance them to a white card and seem to require post color correction to get them matched more. I think the HM100 has a bit of a green cast compared to the EX1. I'm still waiting for the experts such as Tim Dashwood or others to give us more hints about in-camera settings.

In addition the resolution and image quality of the HM100 vs the EX1, the EX1 is definitely a higher-res and has a more 'solid' and less 'video' image quality, edges on the HM100 have a bit of that 'video' look and darker portions of the images exhibit a 'smear' on the images overall. I can't describe it better than that. Again, though with some work on the in-camera and post they can be brought more in-line.

I'm working on some projects that will wind up on Youtube that have the 2 camcorders used in an interview situation, intercutting between them, I'll post a link when they are up, maybe that will be of some help.

All that being said, the HM100 is a useful camcorder for various reasons (CCD and size/weight) and I think with tweaking in-camera and post they can be matched up 'well enough' to be acceptable to all but the most discerning audiences.

Hi Keith:

Thank you for your honest and informative reply. I had anticipated such a response and with that said, I suspect that I will postpone the purchase of the HM100 with the hope that something else will come along in the near term. I spend enough time in post already (AFterEffects, Boris Red, etc.) that having to put time into accomplishing an "almost match" between the EX3 and the aforementioned is hardly worth the effort.
Thanks again.
Ron

Robert Rogoz · July 23rd, 2009, 09:25 AM

Ron, where the camera excels is size vs. image quality. I am in the process of working on a climbing documentary. Primarily we are using HVX200, however for 2 days we used HM100. After experiencing pain of slogging up to 10 000 ft with HVX200 (which only is about 6lbs) I decided to charge my credit card and buy one. The worst shots are the one you don't get, so I want to get my shots. Of course if you drive to the location, it might not be the one for you. But if the size is important, then this is the camera to get. Also it has full auto mode- try to do adjustments in sub-freezing temps with wind without gloves! I want to have an option of just using auto- mode in such conditions.

June 28th, 2009, 03:02 AM	#1
Svein Rune Skilnand Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fidjeland, Norway Posts: 289	Timeline sequence preset for FCP and 35Mbps Early this week I will have the chance to test an HM700 complete with the SxS recorder. I am really, really excited to put my hands on it and test the workflow in FCP. If I record in 19 Mbps mode I suppose I can use the sequence presets in FCP like I am used to with my HD111s. But what sequence preset do I use for the 35 Mbps? Should I run an XDCam EX timeline like the EX- series by Sony, as this is the same standard?

July 1st, 2009, 11:06 AM	#3
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	In current version of FCP 6, you can use easy setup to choose the (XDcam EX) mode you are shooting in. No use for the SxS with a FCP workflow - definitely shoot in .mov mode. __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

July 6th, 2009, 10:21 AM	#6
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	No installed preset in FCP 5. I think you can edit in native format using the open source codec out there. see http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/1032439-post1.html You'd have to make your own preset. __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

June 29th, 2009, 09:18 AM	#2
Keith Moreau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brisbane, California Posts: 530	I have an EX1 and a HM 100, and use the HM100 in the 35mbs XDCAM MOV mode. I'm able to use both types of files in a XDCAM EX sequence and they both appear 'native' to the sequence, that is, the clips don't require rendering in that type of sequence. Hope this helps.

July 6th, 2009, 05:17 AM	#4
Svein Rune Skilnand Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fidjeland, Norway Posts: 289	Thanks so much, Sean and Keith. It worked as a charm. No problems at all. I started an EX- timeline and encountered no problems. And what an efficent workflow. The fastest ever.

July 6th, 2009, 06:25 AM	#5
Eric Deyerler Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Schwabach (Germany - Bavaria) Posts: 199	And the best preset under Final Cut Pro 5.1.4?!

July 6th, 2009, 12:11 PM	#7
Eric Deyerler Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Schwabach (Germany - Bavaria) Posts: 199	With Components for Perian, it works for import and playback, but it don't work native, only with 1080i50 25 Mb/s (like HDV 1080i50).

July 6th, 2009, 02:57 PM	#8
Eric Deyerler Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Schwabach (Germany - Bavaria) Posts: 199	Hi Sean, do know that possibility Aulich & Adamski - english version Blog Archive 720p50 Capturing & Editing in Final Cut Pro

July 22nd, 2009, 03:09 PM	#10
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	Ron EX1/3 and HM100 use exact same codec, so FCS2 can't tell the difference. The only thing is you'll have to use Log and Transfer for your EX3, you can natively record in .mov on your HM100, so you can just copy/paste files and place them directly onto time line - saving you one step. As these cameras use exactly the same codec there should be no issues with editing them on one time line. You might want to look through the menus and change the settings, so the shots look the same from these cameras.

July 23rd, 2009, 09:25 AM	#14
Robert Rogoz Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 457	Ron, where the camera excels is size vs. image quality. I am in the process of working on a climbing documentary. Primarily we are using HVX200, however for 2 days we used HM100. After experiencing pain of slogging up to 10 000 ft with HVX200 (which only is about 6lbs) I decided to charge my credit card and buy one. The worst shots are the one you don't get, so I want to get my shots. Of course if you drive to the location, it might not be the one for you. But if the size is important, then this is the camera to get. Also it has full auto mode- try to do adjustments in sub-freezing temps with wind without gloves! I want to have an option of just using auto- mode in such conditions.