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Dennis Liu December 24th, 2004 06:57 PM

The DSR-11 is a great deck. If you can't afford it, I have a GV-D1000 (similar to teh GV-D300), which are just basically consumer VCRs for miniDV, with the added bonus of an LCD screen. I've used it for a few months now, it's been really helpful in many situations.

However, if you can afford the DSR-11 and don't need portability - get it.

Dennis

Alessandro Machi January 1st, 2005 09:34 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Don Palomaki : I've received good service from a Sonu DHR-1000 and a Sony GV-D300. Many people looking for a low cost solution with the bonus of providing a small, cheap backup camcorder) use a ZR-series (or other) camcorder . -->>>

I love the ZR canon camcorders for recording and playing back mini-dv from. Although don't lose the remote control because you need it for recording!

I have heard that the Sony camcorders all play back DV-CAM signals that have been recorded on mini-dv, whereas the ZR series does not, is this true?

Mark Williams January 1st, 2005 10:13 AM

If you get a cheap camcorder to use as a deck be sure it has 16-bit audio playback. Some don't.

Krishna Narayanamurti January 5th, 2005 03:22 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Mark Williams : If you get a cheap camcorder to use as a deck be sure it has 16-bit audio playback. Some don't. -->>>

Mark, what happens if it doesn't have 16-bit playback and only has 12-bit playback? (I think this is the case with my Canon ZR60, used as a deck for footage captured on the DVX100A.)

Will the NLE not be able to recognize that the audio on the source tape is actually 16-bit quality?

Thanks.
Krishna

Dave Perry January 5th, 2005 08:30 PM

Krishna,

Your ZR 60 does have 16 bit playback.

Glenn Chan January 5th, 2005 10:10 PM

Some models of the JVC DV decks are the cheapest available, but many people report problems with them. It's ok if it won't cost much to refund it.

JVC has combo mini-DV/SVHS which are ok. The SVHS deck part doesn't work very well since it gets really confusing what is routed where. A seperate VHS/SVHS deck would be a better option.

Daniel Kohl January 6th, 2005 08:38 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Alessandro Machi : ... I have heard that the Sony camcorders all play back DV-CAM signals that have been recorded on mini-dv, whereas the ZR series does not, is this true? -->>>

It is true that sony DV camcorders playback DV-CAM recorded tapes. I don't know if there are any other brands that do this as well. I know that JVC and Canon won't.

Mark Williams January 6th, 2005 09:15 AM

Krishna,

If your NLE preference is set to use 16-bit 48000 audio and you try to use 12-bit it will sound all distorted. I learned this the hard way a couple of months ago and had to redo some of the audio.

Regards,

Mark

Peter Jefferson January 10th, 2005 06:45 PM

i like my Sony GDV1000 with the built in screen. I also carry it around and use it to demo presentations to potential Corp clients (REALLY handy for corporate) as there is no need for them to leave their office when i want to show off some work :)

Frank Meek January 15th, 2005 01:42 PM

Deck of choice...
 
This is the reply I gave to a similar question on 11.27.04:



Despite some really heavy knocks elsewhere on the JVC BR-DV-3000U, I have used one since last spring (200 hours on the drum) and it has performed flawlessly for me in every tough task I have given it. I use it daily. It is portable, PAL/NTSC switchable, 12v field ready, back-up programmable, small in size, big in features and totally professional. I use it with a Mac Powerbook G4, with a gig of ram, FCP and several cameras.
I cannot say enough.

Alessandro Machi January 15th, 2005 03:35 PM

If I understood correctly, the JVC deck playsback DV-CAM but WILL NOT record DV-CAM. Is this true?

Frank Meek January 17th, 2005 03:31 PM

recording format...
 
Yes, you are quite correct. The BR-DV 3000 only records in the mini-DV format...but, the ability to import and otherwise use DV-CAM tapes provides somewhat broader opportunities in the pro realm. And, I shoot in this format (one of several), as well.
Also, as I have a moment to comment, there definitely have been those whose experiences are not as laudable as my own...but, I believe that many of the issues with the earlier units (apparently, I have a later version...or I'm exceptionally lucky), have been addressed.
I still think that it's a great unit for the money with many professional features that the dual VHS-Mini-DV units don't have. And, who in this business doesn't already own several-to-many VHS/S-VHS decks for the occasional quick client copy? Better to invest in dual-layer DVD recorders that are really the same price and are, (for the next couple of years, anyway), the way to produce digital copies.
Can there truly be a comparision between the dinosaur VHS and DVD's?

Alessandro Machi February 20th, 2005 10:44 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Krishna Narayanamurti : <<<-- Originally posted by Mark Williams : If you get a cheap camcorder to use as a deck be sure it has 16-bit audio playback. Some don't. -->>>

Mark, what happens if it doesn't have 16-bit playback and only has 12-bit playback? (I think this is the case with my Canon ZR60, used as a deck for footage captured on the DVX100A.)

Will the NLE not be able to recognize that the audio on the source tape is actually 16-bit quality?

Thanks.
Krishna -->>>

The way VHS works is most VCR's won't record in the four hour mode (known as LP), but ALL VCR's will play it back. I'm wondering if this same formula would apply to camcorders that don't record 16 bit audio, perhaps they will play it back if the tape has been already recorded in another camcorder at the 16 bit setting?

Peter Richardson March 2nd, 2005 01:11 PM

Panasonic Camera, Sony Deck
 
Hey guys--I have a DVX100A and want to purchase a dv deck. Everyone seems to like the Sony DSR11, so I'm leaning to it. My only concern is if I have a Panasonic camera, should I stick with Panasonic for my deck? I know there are issues with different oils on heads and tape, and you never want to "cross streams" or use different tape stocks due to the oils gumming up. I only use Panny MQ tapes in my camera. If I use these tapes in the deck, will I be ok? Thanks!

Peter

P.S. Does anyone have experience with a Panny deck they like, just for comparison? Thanks!

Peter

Rob Lohman March 6th, 2005 04:48 AM

All I can add is that as far as I understand it, is that decks should
be much more tolerable of head alignment issues etc. etc. They
are built to read as much different tapes as possible.

So I'd have to say it should be no problem, but then again, you
never know in the "real world", of course.

Hopefully someone else has some more hard answers for you.


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